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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by Marshead » Nov Fri 13, 2009 4:07 pm

What an utter crock of sh*t the phrasing of that poll question is. A "push poll" if ever there was one.

How about: "Would you rather let people die because tens of millions of Americans have no health insurance in this country, or would you prefer supplementing the current system with a public option, which would also let people carry their health insurance with them when they change jobs?"

That would be about as objective, and meaningful, a question...
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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by lost cause » Nov Fri 13, 2009 4:13 pm

Marshead wrote:What an utter crock of sh*t the phrasing of that poll question is. A "push poll" if ever there was one.

How about: "Would you rather let people die because tens of millions of Americans have no health insurance in this country, or would you prefer supplementing the current system with a public option, which would also let people carry their health insurance with them when they change jobs?"

That would be about as objective, and meaningful, a question...
People can carry their health insurance with them when they change jobs, it is called cobra. Most companies will put you on with-in 30 days as well, under what is called a "change in life style option".

How about telling us exactly how many people die because they do not have health insurance. Quite a large percentage of the people who don't have health insurance chose not to have it.

By the way if you are ill and show up at the hospital unless they are private and do not take any government money, they have to treat you.

Who is going to pay for the public option taxes on the wealthy and high end health insurance plans will not cover the costs. Which means higher taxes on the middle class, I for one think I already pay enough.
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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by specialties » Nov Fri 13, 2009 5:02 pm

What an utter crock of sh*t the phrasing of that poll question is. A "push poll" if ever there was one.
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Post by GoingCoastal » Jan Fri 15, 2010 1:30 pm

Marshead wrote:
it is about the democrats being unable to frame the debate
To a certain extent yes. Partly, it's simply proof of the old Sam Rayburn adage:

"Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one."

It's a heck of a lot easier to block legislation as complicated as this than to draft it and get it passed, with so many powerful special interests who are heavily invested in the status quo.

But don't be so sure that the Democrats can't get their message out.

CNN/Opinion Research Poll:

"Do you favor or oppose Barack Obama's efforts to reform health care?"

August 28-31

Favor: 48
Oppose: 51
No opinion: 2

Net: - 3

September 11-13

Favor: 51
Oppose: 46
No opinion: 3

Net: + 5

I think they got their message out loud and clear.

CNN Opinion research Jan 8-10 2010
According to the survey, only 4 in 10 support the health care bills passed by the House and Senate, with 57 percent opposed. But only 45 percent oppose the bills because they say they are too liberal. One in ten suggest the oppose the legislation because it's not liberal enough.

The poll also indicates that 28 percent say they would be angry if health care legislation passed, with another 23 percent suggesting they'd be displeased. One in three questioned say they'd be pleased, with only 14 percent saying they'd enthusiastically support the bills.
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Post by GoingCoastal » Sep Sun 12, 2010 10:21 am

Fast forward.

Jake Tapper to the President:

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2010/09/10 ... backpedal/
On health care reform, this is six months since health care passed. You pledged, A, that you would bend the cost curve, and, B, that Democrats would be able to campaign on this. And CMS reported yesterday that the cost curve is actually bending up: from 6.1 percent to 6.3 percent post-health care legislation. And the only Democrats Ive seen talking about health care legislation are running TV ads saying that they voted against it.
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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by MCasper » Sep Sun 12, 2010 10:38 am

Moving from a company plan to an individual plan as we speak.

460 a month ... 3,000 family deductible. No coinsurance. 5 million cap. All out of pocket medical expenses - including part of the 7,500+ of uncovered expenses for my son - up to 6,300 a year comes out of my self funded MSA that is tax exempt. Because I have been responsible and not skated on my responsibility to cover my family ... pre-existing conditions are covered completely.

What is so hard about that?

BTW, I got in just in time ... because of HCR, it will go up by 40% next year. Thanks for the "help" Mr. President. I locked in for 24 months, so hopefully the GOP landslide can fix the mess before I renew.
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Post by MCasper » Sep Tue 26, 2017 1:02 pm

MCasper wrote:
Aug Fri 14, 2009 6:20 pm
jonathan wrote:Thank you.

I was simply pointing out the irony. I honestly think that none of the public officials believe the death panel rhetoric of which they speak, they are simply using it as a vehicle to scare the public. That is what is wrong.
Assuming you are genuine ... tough after other give and take with you, but...

You can read. You followed this thread enough to post on it, you saw clear and convincing evidence that Oregon HAS boards that can decide to let subscibers die ... "death panels"

Think of it this way, if the appeal process for BCBS was as follows.

1) We decide if you live or die.
2) If we decide you die, you can appeal ... twice!
3) Your first appeal will be heard by ... BCBS
4) But don't worry ... if we deny your first appeal, your second appeal will be heard by ... BCBS.
5) Then you die.

Can you imagine the leftist outrage??

Yet that IS the appeal process from the death panels of Oregon.


It WILL be the process if we go national.

Somebody earlier said they were fine with that ... I'm not. I suspect you will say you are not either. Yet knowing that EVERY government plan to date has death panels, you will not only trust these jamokes to be the first not to, you will be dishonest or naive enough to say that anyone thinking that this plan will end up with death panels .... like every other socialized plan EVER devised ... is somehow crazy.

And when that doesn't work you'll talk about Terri Schivo???

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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by MCasper » Sep Tue 26, 2017 1:19 pm

Marshead wrote:
Nov Fri 13, 2009 4:07 pm
What an utter crock of sh*t the phrasing of that poll question is. A "push poll" if ever there was one.

How about: "Would you rather let people die because tens of millions of Americans have no health insurance in this country, or would you prefer supplementing the current system with a public option, which would also let people carry their health insurance with them when they change jobs?"

That would be about as objective, and meaningful, a question...
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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by Vlad_Rap » Oct Mon 02, 2017 3:00 pm

How about a system in which private and public health insurance co-exists].(ugh) All insurances would be offered at the state level to promote competition and people can buy their insurance from any state? Buying insurance should not be mandatory but minimum basic coverage (set by uniform federal regs) must be made available by the state of residence to those who qualify.

The health care question is not going away. Single payer goes against the American grain and trying to ignore the problem will come back to haunt us.

So whataya think MCasper? Is this simple minded or am I on to something?

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Post by HokieAl » Oct Tue 03, 2017 4:13 pm

Vlad_Rap wrote:
Oct Mon 02, 2017 3:00 pm
How about a system in which private and public health insurance co-exists
And have the state compete against private business?

Almost like Airbus against Boeing.

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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by Vlad_Rap » Oct Tue 03, 2017 6:10 pm

And have the state compete against private business?
Yes. And wouldn't private business, left to its own devices, always out perform any public competition.? If socialism wanted to prove itself against capitalism wouldn't this be the way?
Almost like Airbus against Boeing.
How does air travel correlate to health care?

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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by HokieAl » Oct Tue 03, 2017 6:14 pm

Private business will be bankrupted when competing against taxpayer funded govt entities. Govt business can hemorrhage money and stay in business.

Airbus is govt funded. So it has an unfair advantage over Boeing.

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