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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by clover » Mar Wed 15, 2017 8:04 pm

The following information is for everyone who would like to read it, except Seahag.

I didn't find these minutes when I went to the Town's website, but this one meeting was out there when I googled for Airport Commission minutes. Now, when I go back to the Town's website, the minutes are there. Strange. Anyway, the moving of the fence is apparently part of a "fence relocation project" and is part of a grant request. Those grants are usually lacking in detail on the agendas, so minutes are helpful.

Now, it's just my opinion, but I think those of us who didn't know about these minutes are now smarter. Too bad Seahag wants to be a dummy her whole life.

http://www.marshfield-ma.gov/sites/mars ... 101816.pdf

MEETING MINUTES - Marshfield Airport Commission
Date of Meeting - Tuesday October 18, 2016
Place - Terminal Building, George Harlow Field

7. CIP/AIP Projects - Chris Willenborg

ASG and George Harlow Field (GHG) Team will be attending the FAA/MassDOT Five Year
Airport Capital Improvement Program (CIP) meeting on Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 10:30
AM. The meeting will take place in the conference room at MassDOT’s offices at the Logan
Office Center. Last month, the GHG Airport Commission reviewed the proposed Five Year CIP.

ASG prepared and submitted the MassDOT grant pre-application forms for the FAA FY 2017
AIP projects to Denise Garcia on Friday, October 14, 2016. The two projects identified on the
pre-applications were the Taxiway A TOFA Fence Relocation Project and Wildlife Hazard
Assessment. Typically, these documents are provided to MassDOT following the annual airport
CIP meeting with FAA and MassDOT, however MassDOT requested these forms prior to this
year’s meeting.

On September 30, 2016, Rich Lasdin of ASG walked the existing fence line at GHG with Airport
Manager David Dinneen. The purpose of the visit was to further evaluate a future airport fence
project that would tie into the existing airport perimeter fence and provide a complete airport
perimeter fence line. The focus areas are located at the ends of Runway 6/24

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Mar Wed 15, 2017 11:17 pm

It has been pointed out at Airport Commission meetings that the posted agendas are vague and cryptic.
Just making references to 'AIP' projects is obviously a ploy to not call attention to impacts and keep the public in the dark. And the airport commission is notorious for using evasion and delay tactics - along with 'smoke and mirrors.'

What projects? What activities?

Then you have the President of Shoreline leering at you or taking pictures from the shadows. C-R-E-E-P-Y.

Seems like it would be important to monitor what grants the airport is receiving. FAA grants come with strings attached. A grant could require that the airport continue operating for 20 years -- and it is important to now be planning for CLOSURE of Marshfield airport and the future usage of the property. Planning for conversion to recreational, residential, agricultural and conservation uses should have started already.

Ending the 'sweetheart' deal of leasing town property to a private for-profit corporation that caters to the rich (A crony-capitalism set-up.), needs to happen when the current lease with Shoreline Aviation nears the end. Then, the town can hire and operate - and collect revenues - while phasing in the transition to uses that SERVE THE TOWN AND ITS' RESIDENTS.
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Seahag » Mar Thu 16, 2017 10:05 am

I simply asked you and the others to go to the advertised Airport meeting and ask your questions there, instead of jumping to a conclusion.

I am not going to dignify any more of your remarks and conclusions. We already know that you are the smartest person in the room.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Mar Thu 16, 2017 10:37 am

Oh - I get it. I need to check my privilege at the 'door' before entering The Forum.
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Seahag » Mar Thu 16, 2017 3:08 pm

I wasn't referring to you, Joseph, I was replying to Clover's nasty comments to me a few posts above.
I think the Minutes from the October 2016 Airport meeting spell out pretty plainly what is intended for the fence. I guess they're just getting around to taking that action, and yes, it does seem unreasonable, especially if you live on Woodbine Road.
Maybe one of you will go to the meeting tonight and ask your questions and report back.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by clover » Mar Thu 16, 2017 3:13 pm

Seahag wrote:Maybe one of you will go to the meeting tonight and ask your questions and report back.
There is no meeting this afternoon/tonight. It has been cancelled. Finding out where the fence is going will have to wait for another day.

It's confusing that there was no plan available for the BOPW works meeting on Monday when the Airport Commission minutes clearly show a plan in the works months ago.

Another thing that's confusing is whether a certain fence placement would have to go to Town Meeting. I guess it depends on how much impact the fence has on the layout. Mass General Law Chapter 82, Section 23 says this:

Section 23. No town way or private way which has been laid out, relocated or altered by the selectmen or road commissioners shall, except as hereinafter provided, be established until such laying out, relocation or alteration, with the boundaries and measurements of the way, is filed in the office of the town clerk and, not less than seven days thereafter, is accepted by the town at a town meeting. This section shall not apply to cities.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Mar Sat 18, 2017 10:46 pm

http://www.danspapers.com/2017/03/east- ... -supremes/

People are waking up to the abuse and harm inflicted upon the general public by the despotic FAA and 'airport gangs' around the country.
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Apr Tue 11, 2017 11:10 am

Disgusting.
Late night noisy, startling jet arrival over Fieldston last night.
Apparently the 'jet-set' doesn't consider the residents to be humans.
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Carson » Apr Thu 13, 2017 3:17 pm

How about the helicopters,National Guard, training going on which is night and day now!Did we sign up for this?I feel like we are in the middle of a military zone!

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Apr Fri 14, 2017 8:49 am

Is it not obvious that the airport gang has NO concern or regard for the residents or the environment?

It has been admitted and PUT INTO WRITING that reduction of distance and destruction of vegetation between the airport and residences makes life WORSE for the residents. Yet, the towns 'officials' and our 'legislators' have supported and condoned the existence and EXPANSION of Marshfield airport.

Watch out- the 'gang' will be (has already) schemed to extend the life of the Marshfield airport.

For the safety, well-being and health of the residents and the environment Marshfield airport MUST be closed ASAP.
Then, we can figure what to do with the THOUSANDS of toxic copper-chrome-arsenic impregnated pilings in the freshwater wetlands that were part of the airport EXPANSION project construction. We can also plan for sane, sustainable and environmentally-friendly usage of that TOWN-OWNED land.
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Apr Fri 28, 2017 12:41 am

Smell that jet exhaust around Marshfield airport?

"Study finds how polluting nanoparticles get into blood and damage hearts

REUTERS/LUKE MACGREGOR

By Kate Kelland | LONDON
Inhaled nanoparticles like those pumped out in vehicle exhausts can work their way through the lungs and into the bloodstream where they can raise the risk of heart attack and stroke, scientists said on Wednesday.
....

Most worryingly, the researchers said at a briefing in London, the nanoparticles tend to build up in damaged blood vessels of people who already suffer from coronary heart disease – the condition that causes heart attacks - and make it worse.

...."


http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17S1J9
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » May Mon 15, 2017 11:22 pm

Every week there are incidents involving 'private jets' like the ones flying in/out at Marshfield.

Now ANOTHER crash. This jet flew from New Jersey to Bedford, Mass. Then, on the way back to New Jersey it smashes into the ground and explodes.

"A jet crashed into a building near a small airport on Monday, killing two crew members and sparking a fire that sent thick, black smoke spewing into the air, authorities said.

Police said no passengers were aboard the Learjet 35 when it went down around 3:30 p.m. Monday about a quarter of a mile from the runway..."


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow ... story.html
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Post by Joseph » May Tue 16, 2017 7:26 am

From another published story on the most recent small jet crash:

"Connie Bovino, chairwoman of Hackensack’s condo and co-op advisory board, said she has been concerned about low-flying planes for some time. She favors a flight path that takes planes south along the Route 17 corridor, which she said would be less hazardous.

“We’re concerned with the high-rises; we’re concerned with the hospital and the schools … they’re going over lower and lower,” Bovino said. “It’s a shame that something like this has to happen before they realize we’ve got to make changes. It’s crazy.”"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/ber ... 323499001/

This could be Marshfield. Or rather - it's only a matter of time.
Then, MAYBE, the 'yea-sayers' at town meeting, and those in the Chamber of Commerce and Jim Cantwell will maybe, possibly reflect on their decisions to support or push for the EXPANSION of Marshfield airport.

Imagine, overriding environmental regulations and common sense in order to JAM an EXPANDED ENLARGED airport into an environmentally sensitive and very important area- including into a Residential R-1 Zone - to cater to a very few rich people?

Marshfield Airport MUST be closed. To serve the interests of the residents and taxpayers the land must be used for housing, recreation, agriculture and conservation.
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Eric K » May Tue 16, 2017 8:48 pm

No housing, even though the piling that were pounded in would probably support a tall building.
I believe a camp ground would be a great asset to town.
More of an asset part of the year than an airport all year.
It would have more positive economic impact in relation to restaurants, retailers, the town's beaches. It would be a great source of income for the town itself and establishments with in town.
Of course, the chamber of commerce would disagree.
We all know the chamber likes to push projects that benefit a few and cost the tax payers a lot of money like the maritime center. Let's not forget the airport either.

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Post by Carson » May Thu 18, 2017 5:30 pm

Joseph wrote:From another published story on the most recent small jet crash:

"Connie Bovino, chairwoman of Hackensack’s condo and co-op advisory board, said she has been concerned about low-flying planes for some time. She favors a flight path that takes planes south along the Route 17 corridor, which she said would be less hazardous.

“We’re concerned with the high-rises; we’re concerned with the hospital and the schools … they’re going over lower and lower,” Bovino said. “It’s a shame that something like this has to happen before they realize we’ve got to make changes. It’s crazy.”"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/ber ... 323499001/

This could be Marshfield. Or rather - it's only a matter of time.
Then, MAYBE, the 'yea-sayers' at town meeting, and those in the Chamber of Commerce and Jim Cantwell will maybe, possibly reflect on their decisions to support or push for the EXPANSION of Marshfield airport.

Imagine, overriding environmental regulations and common sense in order to JAM an EXPANDED ENLARGED airport into an environmentally sensitive and very important area- including into a Residential R-1 Zone - to cater to a very few rich people?

Marshfield Airport MUST be closed. To serve the interests of the residents and taxpayers the land must be used for housing, recreation, agriculture and conservation.

Have always said it is just a matter of time.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Jun Sat 10, 2017 6:09 am

MARSHFIELD AIR POLLUTION- JET EXHAUST
Saturday, June 10

In connection with jet operations at Marshfield this morning: Conditions favor prolonged periods of concentrations of jet exhaust during jet operations in areas northeast of Marshfield Airport. This includes parts of Fieldston and Rexhame in particular. Residents on Ocean Street, Taft Road, Country Way, Plymouth Avenue and adjacent streets be aware.

Jet exhaust emissions can be hazardous to people and pets. Please take necessary precautions to limit exposure.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17S1J9
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Jun Mon 12, 2017 2:49 pm

Looks like jet model known as the "Citation Encore" is now operating at Marshfield airport.

Here is some info about that model from online:

"The cabin, which can hold eight passengers in fully reclinable seats, stretches to seventeen feet, five inches – the longest cabin of any light private jet. ... A newly-designed airstair entryway makes boarding a lot less challenging, especially for passengers in high heels. The Encore has storage space for 43 cubic feet of exterior baggage plus 28 cubic feet in the interior, or more than 1,400 pounds."

The Cessna Citation Encore can takeoff from a sea level runway in 3,490 feet."

Get that last part? This plane needs 3,490 feet for takeoff. Remember, the EXPANDED ("reconstructed") runway went from 2,999 feet to 4,000 feet in length - plus, from 75 to 100 feet wide.

GET IT?

As Selectman John Hall said - the 'new' airport is about THE JETS.

Thanks, Jim Cantwell.
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Eric K » Jun Tue 13, 2017 9:25 am

It's all about benefiting business not the taxpayer. Business in center of town ( maybe elsewhere ) gets free parking on town owned land and the parents pay a field fee so their children can play sports.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Jun Tue 13, 2017 12:21 pm

This is about the new partners: Democrats and Crony Capitalists --the Cronycrats.

When you see the head of the Democrat Town Committee out on the town with the head of the Chamber of Commerce...'nuf said.
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Post by Eric K » Jun Tue 13, 2017 3:57 pm

I should correct the "not the taxpayer " as business ( as far as I know in this town ) pays taxes. I should refer to it as " residential taxpayer ".

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by clickdiffford » Sep Tue 05, 2017 5:38 pm

Before you know it, some of the airlines will farm out some of their flights to Marshfield. Once that happens, it will all go downhill. We'll have major airlines flying over Marshfield and disrupting the quality of life there. Just you wait and see. :mad:
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Eric K » Sep Tue 05, 2017 5:53 pm

It's already happening.
I believe it was yesterday multiple jet flights appear to leaving Marshfield. You could see and hear them in Blackmount area.
Jets, big 40b, elected officials who don't care.
Quality of life is at an end in Marshfield.
Instead of Marshvegas, it will be Weymouth South.

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Post by Seahag » Sep Tue 05, 2017 8:40 pm

How absurd can you possibly be.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Sep Fri 08, 2017 12:12 am

Another tough day for residents and nature down by the airport.
Earlier today, very strong jet exhaust fumes lingering in the neighborhood and just (midnight!!!) a loud, low jet arrival.
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Sep Sun 10, 2017 9:18 am

Ahhh... a beautiful crisp late summer morning in the seaside community of Marshfield.
Sparkling sunshine - salt air.

Taking a moment to appreciate it all... when a jet BLASTS OFF from Marshfield International Jetport and sprays everything with ultrafine soot and gasses.

Thanks selectmen! Thanks State Rep Jim! Thanks FAA personnel (with relatives and friends in Marshfield.).
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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Oct Sat 07, 2017 7:49 am

Must read story about research into health impacts of living near an airport.
Much of the material in this article is from Massachusetts.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/4216 ... fice-zones

"Excerpts:

Children who live in neighborhoods bordering the airport are four times more likely to experience shortness of breath and show signs of asthma and lung disease.

The risk of asthma goes up by 360 percent and the risk of developing chronic obstructive pulmonary disease goes up 200 percent when someone lives by an airport.

Asthma caused by dirty air may not be the only problem associated with major airports. There have also been studies that show a link to higher lead levels in children who grow up by major airports as well. Yes, lead. The stuff the United States began to phase out of automotive gasoline beginning in the 1970s. But this stuff still remains in the fuel for small, piston-engine airplanes."

So many stories about illness and death from Marshfield - yet our state and local officials don't appear to be doing ANYTHING about looking into Marshfield airport possible impacts. WHY?
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Post by Eric K » Oct Sat 07, 2017 10:11 am

Interesting piece.
I guess what would have to happen is try and get people to get a test done for lead in there bodies that live close to airport. Then collect that data and see if there is a trend.
The other thing to is get the leaded aviation fuel banned at the airport and others airports. Starting with Marshfields airport make a request to selectmen or at.town meeting to outlaw leaded aviation fuel in the town of Marshfield.
What the opposition to banning it would be would be interesting to hear.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Joseph » Oct Thu 12, 2017 9:23 am

Jet take offs ('BLAST-OFF!') from Marshfield this morning at 6:02 and 8:12!

Imagine, 6:02 A.M. jet blast!!!!

WTF?!?!?!?!
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Post by Joseph » Oct Thu 26, 2017 5:11 am

The Marshfield airport gang has been working the system so that the residents have little to say about what happens with the airport. The town is being put 'on the hook' by accepting federal and state grant money that comes with many, BIG STRINGS ATTACHED. The selectmen are complicit with the airport commissioners they appoint to in continuing to accept this 'grant' money that supports the EXPANSION of the airport and extends the lifetime of the airport.

This is all connected to the multi billion-dollar national FAA pork-barrel project funding.

Some New York residents have seen through it and have had enough---


Cuomo signs law giving East Hampton residents vote on airport
Updated October 25, 2017 12:26 PM
By Rachelle Blidner rachelle.blidner@newsday.com

The new law concerning East Hampton Town Airport, seen Nov. 16, 2016, allows local voters to have a say on town board resolutions approving state or federal funding that would last 10 years or more. Photo Credit: Gordon M. Grant

East Hampton Town residents are able to vote on whether to accept federal or state funding for the town airport under a new state law signed by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo this week as local officials continue their quest to curb aircraft noise.

The new law, signed Monday, allows residents to vote by referendum on any town board resolutions approving airport funding grant assurances lasting 10 or more years.

Assemb. Fred Thiele Jr. (I-Sag Harbor), who sponsored the law with State Sen. Kenneth LaValle (R-Port Jefferson), said the law “puts the decision-making power regarding FAA funds back into the hands of the community.”

“It’s important that voters also have a say on these agreements that will impact them for years to come,” Thiele said in a statement Wednesday.

Town officials last accepted Federal Aviation Administration funding in 2001. It ends in 2021.

Supervisor Larry Cantwell said the town board “does not favor” accepting future federal funding because it “comes with strings attached” that can last for up to 20 years, including restrictions on how the money is spent, which leases are approved, and how the airport generally operates.

“I can assure you the grant assurances bind the town’s hands to the FAA and limit the town’s flexibility to make those decisions on our own,” Cantwell said Wednesday.

He said airport revenue, including leases and other fees, “fully pays” for the Wainscott airport’s operating expenses without federal funding and creates surpluses every year.'

Massachusetts and Marshfield needs this kind of 'check' on the aviation lobby and the actions of a FEW rich and connected people that are dictating what happens to our environment and the peoples' health.
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What is the source of their power? Does it involve some kind of unseemly enterprise? A government entity?

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by bobkat » Oct Thu 26, 2017 9:48 am

Joseph wrote:
Oct Thu 26, 2017 5:11 am
The Marshfield airport gang has been working the system so that the residents have little to say about what happens with the airport. The town is being put 'on the hook' by accepting federal and state grant money that comes with many, BIG STRINGS ATTACHED. The selectmen are complicit with the airport commissioners they appoint to in continuing to accept this 'grant' money that supports the EXPANSION of the airport and extends the lifetime of the airport.

This is all connected to the multi billion-dollar national FAA pork-barrel project funding.

Some New York residents have seen through it and have had enough---


Cuomo signs law giving East Hampton residents vote on airport
Updated October 25, 2017 12:26 PM
By Rachelle Blidner rachelle.blidner@newsday.com

The new law concerning East Hampton Town Airport, seen Nov. 16, 2016, allows local voters to have a say on town board resolutions approving state or federal funding that would last 10 years or more. Photo Credit: Gordon M. Grant

East Hampton Town residents are able to vote on whether to accept federal or state funding for the town airport under a new state law signed by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo this week as local officials continue their quest to curb aircraft noise.

The new law, signed Monday, allows residents to vote by referendum on any town board resolutions approving airport funding grant assurances lasting 10 or more years.

Assemb. Fred Thiele Jr. (I-Sag Harbor), who sponsored the law with State Sen. Kenneth LaValle (R-Port Jefferson), said the law “puts the decision-making power regarding FAA funds back into the hands of the community.”

“It’s important that voters also have a say on these agreements that will impact them for years to come,” Thiele said in a statement Wednesday.

Town officials last accepted Federal Aviation Administration funding in 2001. It ends in 2021.

Supervisor Larry Cantwell said the town board “does not favor” accepting future federal funding because it “comes with strings attached” that can last for up to 20 years, including restrictions on how the money is spent, which leases are approved, and how the airport generally operates.

“I can assure you the grant assurances bind the town’s hands to the FAA and limit the town’s flexibility to make those decisions on our own,” Cantwell said Wednesday.

He said airport revenue, including leases and other fees, “fully pays” for the Wainscott airport’s operating expenses without federal funding and creates surpluses every year.'

Massachusetts and Marshfield needs this kind of 'check' on the aviation lobby and the actions of a FEW rich and connected people that are dictating what happens to our environment and the peoples' health.
Joseph it sounds like you are talking about the 1% people. I believe they belong to your party the Republican Party. So don't blame the Democrats for your problems with the airport.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Eric K » Oct Thu 26, 2017 4:18 pm

How many of those 1% are democrats and/or at least fund the democrats. I bet it's more than you think.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by bobkat » Oct Thu 26, 2017 4:27 pm

Eric K wrote:
Oct Thu 26, 2017 4:18 pm
How many of those 1% are democrats and/or at least fund the democrats. I bet it's more than you think.
Eric K yes there some but they are ones say there is no need for a tax cut form them. It's your Republican party pushing for the tax cut and who is going to pay for the tax for the 1%.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Eric K » Oct Fri 27, 2017 3:12 am

It's easy for "them" to say they don't need a tax cut, but do you think they really mean it? Who are the ones who voted themselves big pay raises in our legislation?

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

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Eric K wrote:
Oct Fri 27, 2017 3:12 am
It's easy for "them" to say they don't need a tax cut, but do you think they really mean it? Who are the ones who voted themselves big pay raises in our legislation?
Eric K why do you post with out knowing the truth about the pay in congress. now try to read this before you open your mouth again an show how stupid you are.


Congress is required by Article I, Section 6, of the Constitution to determine its own pay. In the past, Congress periodically enacted specific legislation to alter its pay; the last time this occurred affected pay in 1991. More recently, pay has been determined pursuant to laws establishing formulas for automatic adjustments.
The Ethics Reform Act of 1989 established the current automatic annual adjustment formula, which is based on changes in private sector wages as measured by the Employment Cost Index (ECI). The adjustment is automatic unless denied statutorily, although the percentage may not exceed the percentage base pay increase for General Schedule (GS) employees. Member pay has since been frozen in two ways: (1) directly, through legislation that freezes salaries for Members but not for other federal employees, and (2) indirectly, through broader pay freeze legislation that covers Members and other specified categories of federal employees.
Members of Congress last received a pay adjustment in January 2009. At that time, their salary was increased 2.8%, to $174,000. A provision in P.L. 111-8 prohibited any pay adjustment for 2010. Under the pay adjustment formula, Members were originally scheduled to receive an adjustment in January 2010 of 2.1%, although this would have been revised downward automatically to 1.5% to match the GS base pay adjustment. Members next were scheduled to receive a 0.9% pay adjustment in 2011. The pay adjustment was prohibited by P.L. 111-165. Additionally, P.L. 111-322 prevented any adjustment in GS base pay before December 31, 2012. Since the percentage adjustment in Member pay may not exceed the percentage adjustment in the base pay of GS employees, Member pay was also frozen during this period. If not limited by GS pay, Member pay could have been adjusted by 1.3% in 2012. The ECI formula established a maximum potential pay adjustment in January 2013 of 1.1%. P.L. 112-175 extended the freeze on GS pay rates for the duration of this continuing resolution, which also extended the Member freeze since the percentage adjustment in Member pay may not exceed the percentage adjustment in GS base pay. Subsequently, Member pay for 2013 was further frozen in P.L. 112-240. The maximum potential 2014 pay adjustment of 1.2%, or $2,100, was denied by P.L. 113-46. The maximum potential January 2015 Member pay adjustment under the ECI formula was 1.6%, or $2,800. The President proposed a 1.0% increase in the base pay of GS employees, which would automatically have limited any Member pay adjustment to 1.0%. P.L. 113-235 contained a provision prohibiting any Member pay adjustment. The maximum potential January 2016 pay adjustment of 1.7%, or $3,000, under the ECI formula would have been limited to 1.0%, or $1,700, due to the GS pay increase. Member pay for 2016 was frozen by P.L. 114-113.
The maximum potential January 2017 member pay adjustment is 1.6%, or $2,800. Both the House-passed (H.R. 5325) and Senate-reported (S. 2955) versions of the FY2017 legislative branch appropriations bill—which would provide approximately $4.4 billion in funding for the activities of the House of Representatives, Senate, and legislative branch support agencies— contain a provision that would prohibit this adjustment. The Member pay provision was included in the bills as introduced and no separate votes have been held on this provision. Both the automatic annual adjustments and funding for Members’ salaries are provided pursuant to other laws (2 U.S.C. §4501)—not the annual appropriations bills—and a provision prohibiting the scheduled 2017 adjustment could be included in any bill, or introduced as a separate bill.
This report contains information on the pay procedure and actions and freezes since the last pay adjustment in 2009. It also contains historical information on the rate of pay for Members of Congress since 1789; the adjustments projected by the Ethics Reform Act as compared to actual adjustments in Member pay; details on past legislation enacted with language prohibiting the annual pay adjustment; and Member pay in constant and current dollars since 1992.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Eric K » Oct Fri 27, 2017 11:15 am

I guess you quickly forgot ( not surprised either ) about the pay raises our state legislators voted themselves. That's what I am talking about.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by bobkat » Oct Sun 29, 2017 8:42 am

Eric K wrote:
Oct Fri 27, 2017 11:15 am
I guess you quickly forgot ( not surprised either ) about the pay raises our state legislators voted themselves. That's what I am talking about.
Eric K please enlighten me . How many State Senators and Reps are millionaires . The true American puts country before pocket book.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Vlad_Rap » Oct Sun 29, 2017 5:10 pm

The true American puts country before pocket book.
I think Bill Weld and Paul Cellucci did - as far as was possible for them. After their terms as governor the idea of trying to make things better for existing residents died in this state. Now everything is geared in favor of illegal aliens. Will the toll booths DeLeo wants to install possibly be enough to sustain all these stiffs ? What tax is next?? Who will be able to afford retiring in this state? Only the very rich and the dependent/obedient poor.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by bobkat » Oct Sun 29, 2017 7:02 pm

Vlad_Rap wrote:
Oct Sun 29, 2017 5:10 pm
The true American puts country before pocket book.
I think Bill Weld and Paul Cellucci did - as far as was possible for them. After their terms as governor the idea of trying to make things better for existing residents died in this state. Now everything is geared in favor of illegal aliens. Will the toll booths DeLeo wants to install possibly be enough to sustain all these stiffs ? What tax is next?? Who will be able to afford retiring in this state? Only the very rich and the dependent/obedient poor.
Vlad_Rap thats right Bill Weld and Paul Cellucci and now Charlie Baker. They were and are liberal Republicans. Hey I am retire and have lived in this town now 67 years. I didn't know I was very rich and are am far from poor. Like I sad in another post it is time for you to move to a place where there are people like yourself. Then you won't have to complain all the time.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by Eric K » Oct Sun 29, 2017 7:28 pm

I am sure most in congress are millionaires.
I am sure quite a few already were when they took office and I am sure some became millionaires while in office.
Money always influences people. The question is how how do you control it in regards to those who are suppose to be serving all of the people.

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Re: The City of Marshfield Jetport

Post by bobkat » Oct Sun 29, 2017 10:42 pm

Eric K wrote:
Oct Sun 29, 2017 7:28 pm
I am sure most in congress are millionaires.
I am sure quite a few already were when they took office and I am sure some became millionaires while in office.
Money always influences people. The question is how how do you control it in regards to those who are suppose to be serving all of the people.
Eric K we are getting off topic but I think you should be pushing for term limits.

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