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Re: President Trump

Post by niles » Apr Sat 15, 2017 7:32 pm

So let's give everyone a voucher instead of supporting Head Start. Have you priced private day cares lately? They typically run $65 -90 per day. There is no way any voucher is going to come close to this. Head Start is a very successful program in that it is providing services to students who otherwise would be sitting at home doing nothing.

As a retired elementary school principal for over 40 years, I have psrsonally witnessed the results in the primary grades of students who attended Head Start versus those who did not. There is a huge difference in readiness for reading, socialization, vocabulary, behavior. Remember, the entire curriculum has been pushed down to the point that children are expected to be able to do much more at a much younger age. If you cannot read by the end of kindergarten, you are behind. Kindergarten used to be a lot of play, learning colors and numbers etc. Take a close look at the required curriculum all the way through the elementary grades. You will be very surprised at what is expected and required. If Head Start goes, you will shortly have a greater percentage of children entering school needing special services.

By the way, Head Start is not free but is based on income.

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Sat 15, 2017 8:13 pm

Sounds like enuf validation for head start to be placed in 'normal' schools... Why hasn't it been??

It would be nice if little Oscar had some pre school fire in his belly on interest and learning...

This from an interview with several line oficer police in an area of complete gun banning,... Chicago

The questions were raised to all of them as to the root of these problems and the unanimous answer was;
Father
A good sample swipe can always be seen on the street @ Waters World...
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Sun 16, 2017 7:53 am

Working on the South Shore for over 40 years...

http://www.sscac.org/headstart/index.html

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Re: President Trump

Post by niles » Apr Sun 16, 2017 9:04 am

Some towns do have their own pre-schools within the public schools. However, space is a major issue in most towns. There is simply no room in most schools as well as the fact that it would take more local money to provide salaries, transportation etc. Financially it would not be in the town's best interest to provide Head Start type services.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Vlad_Rap » Apr Sun 16, 2017 9:46 am

As a retired elementary school principal for over 40 years, I have psrsonally witnessed the results in the primary grades of students who attended Head Start versus those who did not.
As a, "retired elementary school principal for over 40 years", that would make you over 105 years old. Any opinion you may pass along may be a little dated. Oh I know you were trying to say you were a principal for over 40 years. I just find it strange you could not have been much clearer communicating that qualification.
You will be very surprised at what is expected and required
Oh, I have absolutely no doubt anyone over the age of ,say, 50, or anyone who may not have grown up in Massachusetts, would be absolutely astonished about what is required, and not required, from our children today.
Remember, the entire curriculum has been pushed down to the point that children are expected to be able to do much more at a much younger age.
Politics no more belongs in our educational system than it does in our judicial system. A child who begins his/her indoctrination at an earlier age is not better off than a child left alone to be a child. Head Start, in Massachusetts, is politics.

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Sun 16, 2017 11:18 am

Working on the South Shore for over 40 years...
Yes,, and it has to do with
Fathers
...

Get it now yet you buncha kobbers?? Ya never seem to be able to see past the state and our never ending tax $$$...
Y'all are out of style and way out of bounds...

Phillisteen cabooses... :roll:
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Re: President Trump

Post by Vlad_Rap » Apr Sun 16, 2017 11:52 am

The excrutiating irony regarding these "Head Start" kids is they do not so much as have the wherewithal to know how much they've been cheated. All they know is how to feed the oligarchy - who to kow tow to. In a few years , if Muddy Wash, Mo Healey, and Elizardbreath Warren get their way, these graduates will find out that their ,so called, education was no bargain at all.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Tue 18, 2017 7:52 am

Released March 2nd, 2017

A newly updated report released today provides data that helps dispute the erroneous idea espoused during President Trump’s address to Congress that undocumented immigrants are a drain to taxpayers. In fact, like all others living and working in the United States, undocumented immigrants are taxpayers too and collectively contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local coffers each year via a combination of sales and excise, personal income, and property taxes, according to Undocumented Immigrants’ State and Local Tax Contributions by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.

On average, the nation’s estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants pay 8 percent of their incomes in state and local taxes every year. While it is unlikely to happen in the current political environment, undocumented immigrants’ state and local tax contributions could increase by up to $2.1 billion under comprehensive immigration reform, boosting their effective tax rate to 8.6 percent.

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Tue 18, 2017 9:25 am

Go sell it on the mountain, smack...

In the meanwhile your dnc is a joke and is still sinking/stinking...

ie.: You may not see it on your myopic news flush but when the young lady @ dem headquarters went to introduce the new 'head' of the dnc there were mixed boos and cheers, maybe 50/50%...
Talk about fragmented and out to lunch, maybe you should dawn one of those Halloween black isis like uniforms and join the maddening crowd in the streets...

Oh, and kids with a
Father
really do quite well, a head start in itself...
And a
Father
in Heaven pretty much seals the deal... Can't beat that with tax money...

Quit being foolish... There is plenty of room at the top for people who are not sore winners...
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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Tue 18, 2017 9:25 am

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Re: President Trump

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Tue 18, 2017 9:25 am

Mega dittos...
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Tue 18, 2017 11:02 am

In the meanwhile your dnc
Not my dnc, genius, I wanted Kasich... Pelosi and Schumer should have been sent packing years ago, as I've stated, but then again your so far up Trump's small intestine it's hard as hell to find a light. Sad day when Billy the Groper takes a break; who's holding your strings?

Trumps seems to be maturing; his suck ups? Not so much...

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Tue 18, 2017 6:37 pm

:lol:

Well, Kasich is your best pick as a dem, so where does he go from here??

Schuister and paloozi comment.. We have a quorum...

You are becoming far sighted...

I just had a vision; what if the best 50% of the dems and repubs united for us???

Keep looking outside of the box...
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Re: President Trump

Post by MCasper » Apr Wed 19, 2017 7:52 am

Mac66 wrote:
Liberals believe we should send them to failing schools
And conservatives believe all poor people are scum and deserve to be tossed into the ocean. See the problem?
How is that helpful?

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Re: President Trump

Post by MCasper » Apr Wed 19, 2017 7:58 am

Mac66 wrote:
Liberals believe we should send them to failing schools
I believe in school choice and a first class public education system. Are they mutually exclusive?

Your remedies involve funding cuts and state responsibility for early education for parents too poor to pay for it. Which means the end of early childhood education.

So basically, your position is that Head Start is a failure, and we'll let somebody else deal with the consequences of ending it. And as long as you have the cash, you'll be fine.
the 3 step process that left the cons cold
And everybody else, because it was never made clear what steps 2 and 3 actually were.
School Choice is the best way to achieve 1st class education.

No cuts, changes. IE: you pay tax at the state level instead of federal as the Constitution provides for. Do you really think MA won't continue the failing program?

It ain't someone else. IT'S YOU AND ME pal. It's our Fed. government. It's our State Governments. For me it's my county, for you, it's your town government.

It's our Government. It's OUR money, they are OUR kids. What the heck are you talking about???
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Re: President Trump

Post by MCasper » Apr Wed 19, 2017 8:25 am

niles wrote:
1) So let's give everyone a voucher instead of supporting Head Start. Have you priced private day cares lately? They typically run $65 -90 per day. There is no way any voucher is going to come close to this.

2) Head Start is a very successful program in that it is providing services to students who otherwise would be sitting at home doing nothing.
#1) The throw you hands up in the air without thinking plan...

In MA, child care for a 4-year-old costs $12,781, or $1,065 each month. (Highest of any state)
In AL, child care for a 4-year-old costs $4,871, or $406 each month. (lowest of any state)
source: http://www.epi.org/child-care-costs-in- ... tates/#/MA

For MA, the $1,065 a month would pay for 40 hours of care per week, for 50 weeks (2,000 hrs.).
Current Federal Head Start is 3 hrs a day for 120 days (360 hrs.)

Current (2015) federal funding for HS in Massachusetts is: $130,475,615 for 12,627 kids. That's $10,333 per child. That's $28.70 per hour of care, compared to $5.32 per hr. Source: https://eclkc.ohs.acf.hhs.gov/hslc/data ... sheet.html

So you do not think that with triple the hours covered, a family can't find a way to up their income by $2,448 a year? With 1640 hrs more to work?

2) A) It doesn't do anything for kids that isn't accomplished without it, the very definition on ineffective.
b) The true liberal mindset creeps in and you assume the parents who are poor would just leave 4 yr olds home doing nothing. Should we all just listen to our betters and let them think for us?
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Re: President Trump

Post by lost cause » Apr Wed 19, 2017 1:28 pm

niles wrote:So let's give everyone a voucher instead of supporting Head Start. Have you priced private day cares lately? They typically run $65 -90 per day. There is no way any voucher is going to come close to this. Head Start is a very successful program in that it is providing services to students who otherwise would be sitting at home doing nothing.
Head Start does not work, and virtually every study has shown that it doesn't work. See the study done by HHS:
A 2010 report by the Department of Health and Human Services, Head Start Impact, examined the cognitive development, social-emotional development, and physical health outcomes of 4,667[12] three- and four-year-old children in a nationally representative sample of programs across 23 states. Children were randomly assigned to either a Head Start group (participants) or a non-Head Start group (control group). The children in the two groups were similar in all measured characteristics at program entry. Pre-participation assessments of all critical outcome measures were taken. Control group children optionally enrolled in non-Head Start programs. Nearly half of the control-group children enrolled in other preschool programs. Outcome measures covered cognitive development, social-emotional development, health status and access to health care, and parenting practices. Head Start students were split into two cohorts – 3-year-olds with two years of Head Start and 4-year-olds with one year of Head Start.[12] The study found:
Participants showed positive effects in cognitive skills during their Head Start years, including letter-naming, vocabulary, letter-word identification and applied math problems,[12] although the "advantages children gained during their Head Start and age 4 years yielded only a few statistically significant differences in outcomes at the end of 1st grade for the sample as a whole. Impacts at the end of kindergarten were scattered...."[31] The gains applied to different skills across cohorts and grades, undermining generalizations about program impacts.[12]
Participants showed fewer significant improvements in social and behavioral skills, even in the Head Start year, with inconsistent results between the three- and four-year-old cohorts. The four-year-old cohort showed no significant improvement in the Head Start year or kindergarten, but in third grade, parents reported a significant reduction in total problem behavior and social and behavioral skills. Three-year-olds showed multiple, significant improvements in social and behavioral skills, but only for outcomes assessed by parents. Significant negative effects emerged in teacher relationships as rated by first-grade and third-grade teachers; and no significant positive effects for this cohort were reported by teachers for any elementary year.[12]
By the end of first grade, only "a single cognitive impact was found for each cohort". Compared to students in the control group, the 4-year-old Head Start cohort did "significantly better" on vocabulary and the 3-year-old cohort tested better in oral comprehension.[31]
Head Start had significant health-related effects, especially in increasing the number of children receiving dental care and having health-insurance coverage. These effects were not consistent, however. For example, while participants increased health-insurance coverage, it did not extend into the third-grade year for either cohort. Parenting practice changes were significant, but applied only to the three-year-old cohort. Most related to discipline, such as reduced spanking or time-outs. The spanking outcome occurred did not last into the first grade. The significant effect on parental reading to children did not last into kindergarten.[12]
A secondary analysis by Peter Bernardy used HSIS data to explore the transient aspect of the initial effects. He considered whether learning skills not examined in the HSIS might be more durable than cognitive skills. These included attention, persistence, and confidence as evaluated by teachers, parents and independent assessors. Improvements in these skills could portend better longer-term outcomes.[12]
Bernardy also examined whether Head Start curriculum or elementary school quality affected outcomes and whether control group attendance at other preschools compromised the results. Only one effect was statistically significant out of the 43 possible comparisons, and none was in the elementary grades. Since statistical significance is generally measured at the 95th percentile, the false positive rate is 5 percent, meaning that approximately 2 "significant" effects would be expected to emerge from the 43 comparisons even if the data were random. The significant effect reported was the parent rating of attention at the end of the Head Start year for three-year-old children. This finding was not buttressed by ratings by independent assessors and teachers.[12]
The HSIS study concludes, "Head Start has benefits for both 3-year-olds and 4-year-olds in the cognitive, health, and parenting domains, and for 3-year-olds in the social-emotional domain. However, the benefits of access to Head Start at age four are largely absent by 1st grade for the program population as a whole. For 3-year-olds, there are few sustained benefits, although access to the program may lead to improved parent-child relationships through 1st grade, a potentially important finding for children's longer-term development."[31]

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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Wed 19, 2017 4:22 pm

The HSIS study concludes, "Head Start has benefits for both 3-year-olds and 4-year-olds in the cognitive, health, and parenting domains, and for 3-year-olds in the social-emotional domain. However, the benefits of access to Head Start at age four are largely absent by 1st grade for the program population as a whole. For 3-year-olds, there are few sustained benefits, although access to the program may lead to improved parent-child relationships through 1st grade, a potentially important finding for children's longer-term development."[31]

Not quite as black and white as you'd like to believe. Measuring educational outcomes is very difficult.

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Re: President Trump

Post by HokieAl » Apr Wed 19, 2017 4:30 pm

Mac66 wrote:Measuring educational outcomes is very difficult.
So your answer then is to keep spending $7600/child to attain something you can't really measure and aren't sure about.
The federal government spends in excess of $7 billion on Head Start annually, for an average cost of about $7,600 per child served.
In January 2010, after four years of “analysis,” the HHS Department finally released the results on Head Start’s impact on first graders. The study found that, compared to their control group peers, Head Start failed to boost students' cognitive abilities across 41 measures. Moreover, first grade teachers reported that former Head Start students were actually less prepared in math than the non-Head Start students.

Now, in 2012, we await the final results of the follow-up study on Head Start’s impact on third graders. Data collection for that study was completed in 2008. Why hasn't this information been released? It's hard to imagine that it really takes researchers four years to analyze an evaluation of 5,000 youngsters. After all, the United States fought and won in the Pacific and Atlantic fronts of World War II in less time.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Wed 19, 2017 4:52 pm

So your answer then is to keep spending $7600/child to attain something you can't really measure and aren't sure about.
Never said you can't measure it; said only that doing so is difficult. Read a little slower.

Are you sure that every dollar of the 600 billion dollar military budget is spent perfectly?
THE U.S. GOVERNMENT already spends $600 billion dollars a year on its military — more money than the next seven biggest spenders combined, including China and Russia.

On Monday, the White House said it would request $54 billion more in military spending for next year. That increase alone is roughly the size of the entire annual military budget of the United Kingdom, the fifth-largest spending country, and it’s more than 80 percent of Russia’s entire military budget in 2015.

If Congress were to follow Trump’s blueprint, the U.S. military budget could account for nearly 40 percent of global military spending next year. The U.S. would be outspending Russia by a margin of greater than 9 to 1.
This is typical Republican small ball; go after poor people and kids, leave the fat cats alone, or worse, make them richer.

Americans spend more on Halloween candy every year than they do on Head Start.

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Re: President Trump

Post by HokieAl » Apr Wed 19, 2017 8:04 pm

Mac66 wrote:Read a little slower.
I'm sure I can read just as fast as you can. You're blinded by liberal idealism though.
Mac66 wrote: Are you sure that every dollar of the 600 billion dollar military budget is spent perfectly?
No. Not a chance. I look forward to massive reforms in that too.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Wed 19, 2017 9:39 pm

You're blinded by liberal idealism though.
Must be why Kasich had my vote, why I hoped the Clintons, Schumer, Pelosi, Waters, Wasserman should just go away... time to move on let the Dems find a new voice...

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Re: President Trump

Post by MCasper » Apr Thu 20, 2017 5:49 am

Mac66 wrote:The HSIS study concludes, "Head Start has benefits for both 3-year-olds and 4-year-olds in the cognitive, health, and parenting domains, and for 3-year-olds in the social-emotional domain. However, the benefits of access to Head Start at age four are largely absent by 1st grade for the program population as a whole. For 3-year-olds, there are few sustained benefits, although access to the program may lead to improved parent-child relationships through 1st grade, a potentially important finding for children's longer-term development."[31]

Not quite as black and white as you'd like to believe. Measuring educational outcomes is very difficult.
What in that excerpt could possibly lead you to believe the results were mixed in any way? What part of "absent by 1st grade for the program population as a whole." was unclear?
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Thu 20, 2017 7:22 am

So eliminate Head Start funding already. Conservatives have been whining about it since at least 2000. Now's your chance. It's not perfect. You have a champion now.

Things have changed:
In April 2002, President Bush launched the Early Childhood Initiative—Good Start, Grow Smart—that included strengthening Head Start by developing a new accountability system to ensure that every Head Start program assesses child outcomes.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Vlad_Rap » Apr Thu 20, 2017 1:22 pm

I'll bet anything this poor 7YO Massachusetts girl was a product of Head Start?
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Her parents should also be brought up on child abuse charges but that is not likely in this state.

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Re: President Trump

Post by MCasper » Apr Thu 20, 2017 5:19 pm

Mac66 wrote:So eliminate Head Start funding already. Conservatives have been whining about it since at least 2000. Now's your chance. It's not perfect. You have a champion now.

Things have changed:
In April 2002, President Bush launched the Early Childhood Initiative—Good Start, Grow Smart—that included strengthening Head Start by developing a new accountability system to ensure that every Head Start program assesses child outcomes.

Of course, that has no resemblance to what I said, but what the heck.

And as to your quote, they did "develop a new accountability system to ensure that every Head Start program assesses child outcomes." You saw the results in an earlier post.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Thu 20, 2017 5:36 pm

No cuts, changes
Why wouldn't you cut a failing program? Your evidence points to failure, points to no benefit.

What are you saying? That you'd preserve a failing program but under state control? What's the point?

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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Thu 20, 2017 6:05 pm

https://dailyreckoning.com/anything-pre ... ng-bubble/

From David Stockman, Director of the OMB for Ronald Reagan:
Indeed, while the Donald has been out huffing and puffing in his new role as global Spanker-in-Chief, the domestic front has turned from bad to worse. His economic policy machinery has now been seized entirely by the Vampire Squid’s latest chieftains in the White House — Gary Cohn, Steve Mnuchin and Jared Kushner.

I am quite confident that none of these three has ever voted Republican in their life or have even the foggiest idea of how to craft a fiscal plan and tax program that could coalesce the warring GOP factions from the hardline Freedom Caucus to the moderate Tuesday Group.

And if the Goldman trio should even attempt to go the old Boehner-Obama “bipartisan” route, as Wall Street devoutly wishes, Speaker Ryan will come to understand what it means to be drawn-and-quartered.

As I stated earlier, it should be crystal clear by now that there will be no great Trump Stimulus. And what lies ahead is an unprecedented outbreak of dysfunction, paralysis and unmitigated mayhem in the Imperial City.

Moreover, the fact that the Donald is now flipping, flopping, pivoting and whirling on issues in an almost random manner is surely compounding the dysfunction.

While the clucking commentariat at CNN may find the Donald’s betrayal of core campaign positions and constituencies to be evidence of a “refreshing” flexibility — or even as “presidential” — it is actually just the opposite.

It’s proof that the Donald didn’t mean a thing he said during the campaign.

And that for GOP politicians on Capitol Hill, lining-up behind a whirling dervish of impetuous unpredictability is fast becoming a career hazard with vanishing appeal.

After all, the Donald has now flip-flopped not on campaign brochure footnotes, but on five core issues:

China’s blatant currency manipulation over two decades, the Fed’s egregious bubble finance that left Flyover American behind, the Export-Import bank’s crony capitalist subsidies to Boeing and GE, NATO’s obsolescence and intervention on both sides of the Syrian civil war were all front and center to the Donald’s appeal.


Yet the fact that he jettisoned his clear positions on these issues in less than a week’s time indicates that he is truly flying by the seat of his ample britches, and that his attention span does indeed compress into 140 characters or less.
Some of this flip flopping is probably evidence of understanding what he signed on for, but to the people who voted for him based on his promises, not so much.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Vlad_Rap » Apr Thu 20, 2017 7:06 pm

Was the proximity of the flag intended to bestow some sense of defendability to what she is doing?
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All this made me think of how deeply we were in the throws of PC Culture not too long ago - how few people would have dared speak out about this kind of thing and how the 1st Amendment seems to be fairing much better these days under Trump.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Fri 21, 2017 7:39 am

Four days ago, the president of the United States tweeted this: “Someone should look into who paid for the small organized rallies yesterday. The election is over!’’

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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Fri 21, 2017 7:50 am

look forward to massive reforms in that too.
Cutting military waste is not even on the list. Put it behind repair and replace, tax reform, infrastructure spending, regulation reform, bringing back off shore cash, the wall...

Markets boosted equities on Trump's promises; the thrill is gone...

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Re: President Trump

Post by Vlad_Rap » Apr Fri 21, 2017 8:40 am

There is still the threat of nuclear annihilation. Terrorism still exists. There is starvation in Africa. Military waste is rampant!! And Trump has been in office three months now!! What the hell is wrong with this guy!!
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'Rome wasn't built in a day': How analysts say Trump may prevail on taxes and deregulation
Sameepa Shetty | @sameepa
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/05/rome-was ... ation.html
Trump's brash style, and his propensity to call out companies, countries and opponents on Twitter and TV appearances is a way to provoke dialogue, the strategist said.

"This could ultimately prove a worthy antidote from the gridlock that has dogged Washington for decades," Stoltzfus added.
However, "Rome wasn't built in a day. The transition going on in Washington won't be over in 100 days but will likely take more time," Oppenheimer's Stoltzfus said.

And from his vantage point, managing money for Oppenheimer's global clients, Stolzfus said the firm remains "constructive on the effect the Trump Presidency might have on the U.S. economy even with the challenges it brings via dramatic change of approach and style."
As bizarre as it may seem, for the likes of Budges/Mac66, the hatred of Trump is an end in itself.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Fri 21, 2017 9:01 am

the hatred of Trump
Yes, that trump has made lots of promises, and gets called out on them, is hatred. Holding somebody accountable is not hatred.

That his promised health care reform failed and consequently pushing through tax reform is much more challenging is sort of accepted by everyone except Trump's lackeys.

Of course, could be a blessing for us working stiffs, cause you know who gets the best deal...

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Re: President Trump

Post by JIMD » Apr Fri 21, 2017 9:03 am

Just to be clear you wanted Kasich to win and voted for him in the primary, right?
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Re: President Trump

Post by Vlad_Rap » Apr Fri 21, 2017 9:23 am

Fun with definitions...
Black hole...No matter what you put in - nothing ever comes out.
Nothing - it's creepy.

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Re: President Trump

Post by niles » Apr Sun 23, 2017 9:57 am

HokieAl
Great article in the South section of the Boston Globe today on libraries and how they have changed. You really should read it and pay attention to the increase in library visits over the past ten years. Library use is not down but has risen 30-40% over the past ten years. Take a trip to Ventress one of these days to see what is going on at your local library. Obsolete? I think not.

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Sun 23, 2017 1:12 pm

I recall during the early days of the political mud slide of the democrat party towards soviet style hate, discontent, and general gnarlyness that Teddy the K stated to the street urchins of foul deeds;

" We know what you are against ( in today's case 'Trump' ) but what are you for? "
Some things never change...

We hear you squawking but you are not making it in...
First it was the CHURCH, then the FAMILY, and now the NATION...

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Re: President Trump

Post by Vlad_Rap » Apr Sun 23, 2017 1:37 pm

I think not.
No. Probably not. Not a lot of thinking coming from the left for quite some time now. I'll bet you feel bigly though.

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Re: President Trump

Post by niles » Apr Sun 23, 2017 3:11 pm

Leaning left, leaning right or middle of the road, what does a library have to do with political leanings. All I am saying is that libraries provide greatly needed services to everyone without regard to political leanings. Are classes offered and computer access only beneficial to liberals? Hokie Als original post was that libraries were becoming extinct and that usage was way down.

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