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Re: President Trump

Post by HokieAl » Apr Thu 06, 2017 4:21 pm

niles wrote:Home,
I don't know who bobcat is but I assure you that we are not one and the same. You keep making claims that programs or services like Head Start or libraries either don't work or are no longer relevant. You never seem to back up these claims. All I am asking us that you provide some relevant data or sources to back up your claims.
Ok bobkat. I keep making claims that Head Start doesn't work? Can you quote me on that? I expect multiple quotes, since you used the word "keep".
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Re: President Trump

Post by HokieAl » Apr Thu 06, 2017 4:21 pm

niles wrote:Home,
I don't know who bobcat is but I assure you that we are not one and the same. You keep making claims that programs or services like Head Start or libraries either don't work or are no longer relevant. You never seem to back up these claims. All I am asking us that you provide some relevant data or sources to back up your claims.
Ok bobkat. I keep making claims that Head Start doesn't work? Can you quote me on that?

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Re: President Trump

Post by niles » Apr Thu 06, 2017 7:07 pm

Sorry, Hokie

It was Lost Cause that made the comment about Head Start. However, I am still not sure why you think I am bobkat. My question about libraries still stands.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Joseph » Apr Fri 07, 2017 7:12 am

On its face the attack on Syria was a VERY...BAD...IDEA.

But, it could still provide the impetus to final mop-up of ISIS and multi-level peace talks for Syria -- as long as we don't start a shooting war with Russia.

First time in my life that I have really gotten a sense that the world could blow up at any minute.

Who or what got to you, Trump? :roll:
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Fri 07, 2017 11:23 am

Seems like a one off knee jerk reaction.

Big question, unanswered, is the long term policy. He saw an opportunity to respond and flex his muscles with the China premier in the next room. Couldn't resist.

A message; likely forgotten by Assad soon. He's been shot at before.

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Fri 07, 2017 1:49 pm

It could be that he is way smarter and more well informed than either of us...

Give us a heads up when his tinker bombing catches up with your bama's...
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Fri 07, 2017 1:53 pm

It could be that he is way smarter
Sis boom and all that. His loyal cheerleader weighs in...

Can't quite let go of Obama can you? Keep digging that old ground, see where it gets you...

Your cheering isn't reaching formerly committed Trumpsters...

http://www.vox.com/2017/4/6/15215376/al ... rump-syria

Conservatives, always out for fresh blood, even if its their top dog...

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Re: President Trump

Post by HokieAl » Apr Fri 07, 2017 2:52 pm

Mac66 wrote:
Can't quite let go of Obama can you?
That invisible red line became visible.

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Fri 07, 2017 2:53 pm

Macmush, you still didn't say anything...

So what's the beef besides you hate mental giants and very successful white men ??
Can't quite let go of Obama can you?
Well, that has become your base line over the years so who do we compare a good man to??
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Fri 07, 2017 3:56 pm

So what's the beef besides you hate mental giants and very successful white men ??
Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, Jamie Dimon, Warren Buffet...all terrific leaders, not perfect, but one helluva lot better than the occupant of the WH...

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Fri 07, 2017 6:02 pm

If I ever meet him I'll tell him you said that...

Wattaya got 2 lose?? Besides all that time doin homicidal bitchin going down in every kitchen...

Go fish!!! Democracy is coming...

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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Sat 08, 2017 7:51 am

Democracy is coming...
Already here. Didn't Hannity and Billy the Groper tell you?

Hey, look to the words of the Emperor for inspiration:
Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities, rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation, an education system flush with cash but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of all knowledge. And the crime, and the gangs, and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. This American carnage...

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Re: President Trump

Post by Joseph » Apr Sat 08, 2017 8:38 am

Lots of people still trying to digest what the Syrian cruise missile attack is all about.

Does no good trying to justify it for Trump - without looking at the bigger picture.

Still computing.....

Now Russia will place more air defense on the scene in the western part - while U.S. ramps-up boots on the ground around Raqqa and points east.

Those cruise missiles were going stale, anyway.
Raytheon stock is up. Bilge Pump's work future is secure.

Once again, Trump creates jobs!

To ponder:
Did Trump simply create the precedent for the following intervention/ military actions in Syria?

Is this part of Israeli influence in effort to stop the formation of the Iran-Iraq-Syria strategic arc and energy corridor?
*Best Bet*

Time to stock up on non-perishables, drinking water, iodine pills.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Sat 08, 2017 9:08 am

Still computing.....
Exactly right. Trump pulled a 180, and now he needs a plan.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Joseph » Apr Sat 08, 2017 9:20 am

Mac66 wrote:
Still computing.....
Exactly right. Trump pulled a 180, and now he needs a plan.

Don't know if it's a 180 - or a 120 - or, a 300.

Haven't been to the White House this week.

One thing that can be said is that it is a violation of Syria's sovereignty and, the 'chemical attack' has not been confirmed.
Would be great if Trump or Mattis could hold a press conference and lay out the details ala Cuban Missile Crisis/U-2 photo presentation.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Sun 09, 2017 7:09 am

the 'chemical attack' has not been confirmed.
President Donald Trump directly blamed Assad for the chemical attack in explaining why he responded by launching missile strikes aimed at Syrian government targets.
So, you believe Trump is lying?

The right wing wacko web sites are blaming a Zionist - USA secret plot.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Joseph » Apr Sun 09, 2017 4:09 pm

There is nothing secret about the fear of the Iraq-Iran-Syria arc of influence and energy corridor.

U.S. -backed regime change for Syria? So, who then 'rules' Syria?

There will be another failed nation state full of chaos and death. This is a condition that is supported by many in Israel. WHY?
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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Tue 11, 2017 7:03 am

Again, smack, call 911 and form a consensus or do what we should have done in 1938...
Don't get your hands dirty, pc and all...
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Thu 13, 2017 7:13 am

President Trump appeared to reversed his positions on no fewer than four key pledges that arguably led to his election victory. Trump told WSJ yesterday that China is no longer a currency manipulator, he respects Janet Yellen and perhaps could nominate her to another term leading the Fed, he would support the Ex-Im bank after previously saying he would shut it down (good news for the likes of GE and Boeing), and NATO was no longer obsolete since it is fighting terrorism.
Add all this to an Obama like Syrian stance and what have you got? Obama care, and promises on tax reform and a trillion dollar infrastructure package.

And somebody should give Spicy a history lesson about that guy from Germany, what's his name...

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Re: President Trump

Post by JIMD » Apr Thu 13, 2017 7:21 am

His migration policy is working great, he appointed a very conservative judge, the economy is improving with increases in manufacturing, energy production and construction those pay well, far different then the Tacobell Obama economy

Those other things will take longer. As far as Syria goes Obama recognized how horrific chemical attacks on the Syrian people had been. But did nothing at all except claim 100% of the chemical weapons had been moved from Syria
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Thu 13, 2017 7:38 am

His immigration policy is an extension of Obama's. ICE is good with breaking up families now, targeting non criminals. It's a question of emphasis. It helps that little Jeff thinks he's Yosemite Sam.

The economy? Still not robust. Market is running cold now. You should credit McConnell for Gorsuch, not Trump.

Trump did a 180 on China, Syria, and Russia. Credit to him for learning-

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Re: President Trump

Post by JIMD » Apr Thu 13, 2017 8:22 am

His immigration policy is an extension of Obama's. Huh? you lose credibility when you post crap like that. Obama's policy was catch and release, Trumps is catch and deport, big difference. Illegal immigration is dropping to record lows. Trump is also going after people who forge documents to stay.

Obama approved of sanctuary cities, Trump does not and will hold people accountable.

Trump will enforce the laws as he is sworn to do, Barry ignored legal and just laws, what would happen if everyone did that, just ignore laws?
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Re: President Trump

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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Thu 13, 2017 2:40 pm

you lose credibility
Least I have some to lose...

Catch and release?
immigrants to remain freely in the U.S. while they await hearings on their legal status in the future.
Now:
“If an immigration officer determines that an arriving alien is inadmissible to the United States under [existing law], the officer shall, consistent with all applicable laws, order the alien removed from the United States without further hearing or review, unless the alien is an unaccompanied alien child,” the memo reads.

The memorandum also makes allowances for those applying for asylum in the United States.
Throwing people out of the country. About the one promise he's kept so far...

Little Jeff is ready to jump in the way back machine:
Law enforcement officials say that Sessions and Cook are preparing a plan to prosecute more drug and gun cases and pursue mandatory minimum sentences. The two men are eager to bring back the national crime strategy of the 1980s and ’90s from the peak of the drug war, an approach that had fallen out of favor in recent years as minority communities grappled with the effects of mass incarceration.

Crime is near historic lows in the United States, but Sessions says that the spike in homicides in several cities, including Chicago, is a harbinger of a “dangerous new trend” in America that requires a tough response.

“Our nation needs to say clearly once again that using drugs is bad,” Sessions said to law enforcement officials in a speech in Richmond last month. “It will destroy your life.”

Advocates of criminal justice reform argue that Sessions and Cook are going in the wrong direction — back to a strategy that tore apart families and sent low-level drug offenders, disproportionately minority citizens, to prison for long sentences.

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Re: President Trump

Post by JIMD » Apr Fri 14, 2017 4:50 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/opin ... egion&_r=0

you don't see the difference?

So do what in violent cities nothing? Just like Obama, What ever Barry was doing in Chicago was not working. Unless you don't consider the body count significant
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Re: President Trump

Post by JIMD » Apr Fri 14, 2017 5:33 am

http://www.france24.com/en/20170414-us- ... ch-workers


"His immigration policy is an extension of Obama's". sticking with that?
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Fri 14, 2017 7:33 am

Guy here illegally walks into a Lawrence mass immigration office to apply for a green card. His wife is a United States citizen. The guy has no criminal record. Has a four-month-old and a sick grandmother. Guy thinks going on he's going to become part of the process, get legal, keep working, keep supporting his family.

Guy is now in line for deportation. Lawyer says he has an uphill fight to stay here.

Jeff Sessions loves this kind of thing. It is emphasis. When you focus on getting rid of people without records, that's a big change.

You feel safer now? Feel better this guy without a record is being sent back to a country he's now a stranger to?

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Re: President Trump

Post by Joseph » Apr Fri 14, 2017 8:39 am

Though I feel for the guy and relate to being in a predicament... more info needed.
Sick grandmother? In the U.S.or back in his native country?
What does that have to do with his immigrant status?
Whose child is the 4-month old?
How did he get into the country?
On welfare? Got a job?

How many legal citizens here are being squashed and abused by the money-grubbing government that operates to suppress 'dissent' and support and perpetuate a Hackerama? How many millions live paycheck-to-paycheck? Look at the plight of the middle class and working poor, first. But I guess the rich Leftists-elitists don't have such concerns so - you get to virtue signal over some 'Lawrence man.'
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Re: President Trump

Post by MCasper » Apr Fri 14, 2017 3:31 pm

niles wrote:You keep making claims that programs or services like Head Start or libraries either don't work or are no longer relevant. You never seem to back up these claims. All I am asking is that you provide some relevant data or sources to back up your claims.
Niles,

1st, don't sweat it, the pols lack the testicular fortitude to actually end this program.

2nd, you want some "relevant data or sources" how about the very people spending the money? (HHS)
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/f ... _final.pdf

From page xi ...

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The key thing is at the end ...
 Parents of children in the Head Start group reported that their children had more emerging literacy skills at the end of Head Start than did parents of children in the control group. (This measure was not collected when the children were in school.)

 There were no impacts for 4-year-olds in the cognitive domain at the end of kindergarten.

 At the end of 1st grade, there is suggestive evidence of a positive impact of access to Head Start on PPVT (vocabulary) scores.

No significant impacts were found for math skills, pre-writing, children’s promotion, or teacher report of children’s school accomplishments or abilities in any year.
Let me translate ... The parents said it was great and soooo needed (free daycare.) But there is zero difference ie: NO Head Start at all.

If you were wondering what suggestive evidence is? It could also be called ... No real, actual or scientific evidence.
(1) Strong evidence is used for impacts statistically significant at the p<0.05, and the result holds up under the Benjamini-Hochberg test for multiple comparisons; (2) moderate evidence signifies a particular impact is statistically significant at p<0.05 but this result does not hold up under the test for multiple comparisons; and (3) suggestive evidence signifies a particular impact is statistically significant under a relaxed standard p< 0.10, and the result may or may not hold up under the test for multiple comparisons.
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Re: President Trump

Post by MCasper » Apr Fri 14, 2017 3:52 pm

Mac66 wrote: And somebody should give Spicy a history lesson about that guy from Germany, what's his name...
Maybe we could hire Chris Matthews to tutor him?


This has been pointed out for years, the press reacts differently for different people.

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You never used to be such a dismissive gotcha type of commenter?
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Re: President Trump

Post by JIMD » Apr Fri 14, 2017 4:09 pm

mAC66 posted.."Jeff Sessions loves this kind of thing. It is emphasis. When you focus on getting rid of people without records, that's a big change"


So to be clear you're back tracking from your original statement of "His immigration policy is an extension of Obama's".

Is the sick grandmother here legally? If not she can go too

Kids benefit far better off when thoughtful caring parents take care of the kid prior to first grade and not attend head start

That's a scientific fact.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Fri 14, 2017 4:50 pm

Kids benefit far better off when thoughtful caring parents take care of the kid prior to first grade and not attend head start
So parents of head start kids are all bad people? Be good if divorce, disability, learning problems, lousy low paying jobs were just fiction. But they aren't.

Mcas thinks Head Start should be cut. It operates in most every city and town, every state. What are the compassionate conservative solutions for the parents and kids affected? I know, nothing, except "let the states figure it out." Like health care, etc.

You guys want perfection. Ain't going to happen. Ready to cut all the crap out of the military? Didn't think so-

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Fri 14, 2017 6:06 pm

Smack, think priorities... Maybe more parents will get involved with instead of turning their kids over to the government...

In the meanwhile, a supurb leader leads...
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Re: President Trump

Post by MCasper » Apr Fri 14, 2017 10:39 pm

Mac66 wrote:
Kids benefit far better off when thoughtful caring parents take care of the kid prior to first grade and not attend head start
So parents of head start kids are all bad people? Be good if divorce, disability, learning problems, lousy low paying jobs were just fiction. But they aren't.

Mcas thinks Head Start should be cut. It operates in most every city and town, every state. What are the compassionate conservative solutions for the parents and kids affected? I know, nothing, except "let the states figure it out." Like health care, etc.

You guys want perfection. Ain't going to happen. Ready to cut all the crap out of the military? Didn't think so-
Nothing constructive? Just invective? How about something that works? Is success of any kind too much to expect? We spend 7 billion - over 8k a year per child and bupkiss?

And WE lack compassion?
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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Sat 15, 2017 12:25 am

Smack, you long for the insecurity of shrilly's teat so why not experience the American dream whilst breaking out on your own...
You don't need that old government any more but it surely still needs you... hi hi.. :lol:

Why not try that, you know, the schtuffs which free men are made of... Not to worry, no one will think that you are Bengie Franklin...
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Sat 15, 2017 8:00 am

How about something that works
Ok, for once, come up with an alternative instead of whining about what doesn't work. BTW, if you are going to use hard stats as an absolute measure of educational achievement, then the entire USA higher ed system should be replaced; a high percentage of our graduating seniors are not ready for college, and Asian kids run circles around our kids when it comes to science and math...what's your remedy??

If Trump can flip flop on China, on the Export bank, on the NY Times, on the value of NATO, on Syria, on the Russians, on torture, then I can be convinced that Head Start is a disaster and that all the 3- 4 year olds enrolled should just....what?

You guys were arrogant enough to think Obamacare could be replaced in 60 days; Head Start is nothing in size compared to that, so, what do you need, a day or so?

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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Sat 15, 2017 8:01 am

Is the sick grandmother here legally? If not she can go too
Turn the dogs loose on her for good measure, make sure she gets the point...

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Post by MCasper » Apr Sat 15, 2017 8:47 am

Mac66 wrote:
How about something that works
Ok, for once, come up with an alternative instead of whining about what doesn't work. BTW, if you are going to use hard stats as an absolute measure of educational achievement, then the entire USA higher ed system should be replaced; a high percentage of our graduating seniors are not ready for college, and Asian kids run circles around our kids when it comes to science and math...what's your remedy??

If Trump can flip flop on China, on the Export bank, on the NY Times, on the value of NATO, on Syria, on the Russians, on torture, then I can be convinced that Head Start is a disaster and that all the 3- 4-year-olds enrolled should just....what?

You guys were arrogant enough to think Obamacare could be replaced in 60 days; Head Start is nothing in size compared to that, so, what do you need, a day or so?
School vouchers. Free Enterprise. Freedom. I have zero problems with the idea that 0-18 should have health care and education no matter how much money their parents make. Liberals believe we should send them to failing schools and lowest common denominator doctors? Yet I'm uncaring? I'm a grinch? I'm the problem?

Getting rid of Head Start is easy. Block grant 7 billion dollars to the states. Let them devise a voucher system that works for them. Lower the funding by 5% a year to give them the chance to either replace the revenue stream or make the program more cost-effective.

BTW: 95% of the replace Obama care plan was written years ago. It is the 3 step process that left the cons cold. They have zero trust in the D' senators to pass part 3 and don't wnt to rely on the executive to handle part 2, because the next executive could radically change it again.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Mac66 » Apr Sat 15, 2017 10:09 am

Liberals believe we should send them to failing schools
And conservatives believe all poor people are scum and deserve to be tossed into the ocean. See the problem?

I believe in school choice and a first class public education system. Are they mutually exclusive?

Your remedies involve funding cuts and state responsibility for early education for parents too poor to pay for it. Which means the end of early childhood education.

So basically, your position is that Head Start is a failure, and we'll let somebody else deal with the consequences of ending it. And as long as you have the cash, you'll be fine.
the 3 step process that left the cons cold
And everybody else, because it was never made clear what steps 2 and 3 actually were.

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Re: President Trump

Post by specialties » Apr Sat 15, 2017 5:40 pm

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