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Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Joseph » Nov Sat 14, 2015 7:49 am

Why do so many officials FEAR and kowtow to the Marshfield Airport gang?

What is the source of their power? Does it involve some kind of unseemly enterprise? A government entity?

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Sat 14, 2015 7:51 pm

Saudi Arabia was the enemy in 2001, they remain the enemy in 2015. We've known this for years, but lack the political will to go after the bankers and politicians who remain in power by funding terrorist groups.

The money from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE is the head of the snake. Cut it off.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by specialties » Nov Sun 15, 2015 7:38 am

Going with Mac on this one fer sure... Always wondered that...

Who else could afford all those new vehicles of death, destruction, and beheadings???

Shame on the bamazoids...
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Joseph » Nov Sun 15, 2015 11:43 am

Second that.
Saudi's working with Israel and the U.S. want Sunni takeover in Syria. Likely makes things tougher for Christians there - while breaking Iran-Iraq-Syria arc and neutralizing Hezbollah in Lebanon and near Golan Heights.

In Main Stream Media (MSM) talking heads shows and special reports on Paris and discussion of possible actions to be taken - NO MENTION of Russia's actions, including thousands of sorties against ISIS and other al Qaeda offspring. Doncha' know - according to Obama that it's "we" that have 'contained' ISIS.

Presidential candidates also talking AROUND Russia - as if they do not exist. And with the help of the MSM Hillary and the Obamazoids keep swerving to avoid taking responsibility for helping to equip ISIS.

And for YEARS the Russians have been saying: 'There are bigger threats than Assad and al Nusra from the region.'

P.S. I wonder what bobkat's European vacation plans are this year?
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Sun 15, 2015 2:22 pm

US insistence on Assad's removal is a mistake. He is a thug and a killer. Got it. So was SH, and removing him tore the scab off of the Middle East.

Assad is not the main problem. ISIS is, and if the Russians, France, and the USA can collaborate to destroy them, then great.

This hard line in the sand thing over Assad is just US face saving, a cover for lack of a Syrian policy.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Bridges » Nov Sun 15, 2015 3:41 pm

The key with paper tigers like Assad or Saddam or Qadaffi, is to let them shoot their mouths off all they want, but just keep them contained. They are useful idiots.

As I said on this forum for years, Dubya's Iraq invasion was stupid. There were no terrorists in Iraq when he was in power (except for him - and he was no threat to the US...at all).

All we needed to do to keep Saddam bottled up and powerless, was to keep up the no-fly zones.
If he got too uppity, periodically bomb the snot out of some palace or military target. That would keep him humiliated and powerless - completely harmless to us. But he was still in charge, and would never tolerate forces like ISIS moving in - and his forces were more than capable of keeping ISIS or Al Qaeda out.

Once Dubya knocked off the guy in charge, with ZERO though to "what's next?", he created a massive power vacuum, which terrorists were more than happy to fill.

Same in Syria right now. But at this point, with chaos already reigning, and with Russia in there, we are gonna have to put boots on the ground.

In all these countries, I'd make them a deal they can't refuse. In Syria, promise the rebels boots-on-the-ground military aid, in exchange for a 99 year lease on some air bases (like we have for Guantanamo) . Put them in an easily defended spot, like out in the desert, but somewhere you can protect a supply line.

Long term deal - we maintain a big presence in-country, in these easily defended bases.

We have drones, aircraft, ground forces, all ready to go at a moment's notice, and able to respond quickly anywhere in the region. If they become well established, permanent bases, they can project power over a wide area.
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by specialties » Nov Sun 15, 2015 4:41 pm

:lol: Still blaming "W"

Still has no answer to cure the so called global warming...

Still in league with his own paper tiger...

Still lost and probably gone forever...

In other words you are full of george sorrows...

I give in, you ate the dem party proper... Now be aware, be very aware...
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Joseph » Nov Sun 15, 2015 5:44 pm

Yep - it's W's fault then, now and forever!

No mention of the plan to take down 7 regimes? No mention of the Project for a New American Century and its successor?
Ever heard of Kagan, Kristol, Brzeznski and the other NEOCONS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_f ... an_Century

Just as it was with 'W' it is with Obama and would be with Shrillary - the Butcher of Benghazi.

Even I knew what Iraq was about. It was to break the Iran-Iraq-Syria arc of influence and secure Israel's eastern side.

The Neocons didn't get the job fully done - CHECK- so they brought in the war against Assad.
That didn't work fully -CHECK- so they brought in 'training the opposition rebels.'
That didn't work -CHECK- so they tried to isolate Syria and brought in the coup d'etat in Ukraine - to bottle-up Russia.
That didn't work -CHECK- so they energized and supplied ISIS and tried to intimidate Iran.
That almost worked but Putin arranged an invitation from Assad. CHECKMATE.
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Mon 16, 2015 10:11 am

From Andrew Bacevichm US Army, retired, author, professor emeritus at BU:
It’s past time for the West, and above all for the United States as the West’s primary military power, to consider trying something different.

Rather than assuming an offensive posture, the West should revert to a defensive one. Instead of attempting to impose its will on the Greater Middle East, it should erect barriers to protect itself from the violence emanating from that quarter. Such barriers will necessarily be imperfect, but they will produce greater security at a more affordable cost than is gained by engaging in futile, open-ended armed conflicts. Rather than vainly attempting to police or control, this revised strategy should seek to contain.

Such an approach posits that, confronted with the responsibility to do so, the peoples of the Greater Middle East will prove better equipped to solve their problems than are policy makers back in Washington, London, or Paris. It rejects as presumptuous any claim that the West can untangle problems of vast historical and religious complexity to which Western folly contributed. It rests on this core principle: Do no (further) harm.

Hollande views the tragedy that has befallen Paris as a summons to yet more war. The rest of us would do well to see it as a moment to reexamine the assumptions that have enmeshed the West in a war that it cannot win and should not perpetuate.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by HokieAl » Nov Mon 16, 2015 10:35 am

That's not the tactic the president of France decided to take. Two seconds after he knew who was responsible, he started bombing the sh** out of them.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by specialties » Nov Mon 16, 2015 10:39 am

Homey-O-Pathsic sez it's time to dummy up...

Did me heart good to see 'bo' leaning over and chatting with vlad...
Good thing mizz rice was there too...

Maybe he is taking his orders from the old regime now...
Hey! He made good on that promise on the 'open mic' to vlad...
At least he has a good leader...
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Mon 16, 2015 10:45 am

Could be the West is just falling into a trap. Western backlash against Islam in general will isolate and radicalize increasing numbers, create more home grown radicals who live in our communities.

As much as we'd all like to see these guys vaporized, Bacevich makes a great point: back out and off, protect ourselves, acknowledge the Middle East is a complete mess, and put it back on them.

Nobody in the government is smart enough, apparently, to go after the money. It's so basic.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by HokieAl » Nov Mon 16, 2015 11:02 am

Mac66 wrote:Could be the West is just falling into a trap.
Maybe. I think it's more likely that we've trapped ourselves. Political correctness etc where they take advantage of it to our detriment.
Mac66 wrote: Bacevich makes a great point: back out and off, protect ourselves, acknowledge the Middle East is a complete mess, and put it back on them.
Strange point from a military person. Lay around like a doormat and people won't wipe their feet on you?

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by specialties » Nov Mon 16, 2015 11:27 am

Western backlash against Islam in general will isolate and radicalize increasing numbers,
:lol: Like we don't have enuf of that already!!

Please 'bo' send us lots of young serian men... We know they are vetted...

Hand picked, even...

Nothing wrong here, move along...

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by JIMD » Nov Mon 16, 2015 12:17 pm

We should do two things, build the walls like the general says then destroy every middle east city, town and village
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Mon 16, 2015 12:42 pm

Been thinking on this. Bacevich is right.

Protect ourselves.

Engage with the countries that want to sell us stuff or buy from us.

Stop selling arms to countries that either lose them or use them against us.

Stop pretending 50 advisors in Syria are going to do a damn bit of good They aren't.

Stop pretending that limited bombing and drones strikes that kill a terrorost here or there is useful. It isn't.

Encourage Anonymous to hack the hell out of the radical muslim social media machine. Fund them.

Punish Toyota until they figure out how to stop ISIS and ALQ from using them like we use Avis.

The Middle East is a mess. Period. We can't fix it. The Russians spent billions in Afghanistan, we've been in the region for a dozen years, and its all going to hell.

Time for a divorce from the marriage made in hell. We can't solve it, short of total war.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by specialties » Nov Mon 16, 2015 1:50 pm

Yea, Mac66!!

You have come in to your own!!!
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Joseph » Nov Mon 16, 2015 6:43 pm

Mac66 wrote:As much as we'd all like to see these guys vaporized, Bacevich makes a great point: back out and off, protect ourselves, acknowledge the Middle East is a complete mess, and put it back on them.

Nobody in the government is smart enough, apparently, to go after the money. It's so basic.
"Russian President Vladimir Putin said that individuals from 40 countries, including from member states of the G20, are funding the terrorist groups in Syria."

http://sana.sy/en/?p=61578
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by specialties » Nov Wed 18, 2015 9:01 am

I like the way that our leaders ( France and Russia ) pulverized the oil transfer trucks...

That helps a lot... Puts a crimp in their piggy bank too...

Has anyone seen our line in the sand??
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Joseph » Nov Wed 18, 2015 9:11 am

There are some sensible people with some good ideas out there. Here is former DIA chief Lt. Gen. Flynn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4

'We need to listen to Arab countries and help them to help themselves.'
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Thu 19, 2015 8:31 pm

Protecting ourselves doesn't mean passing knee jerk legislation effectively suspending refugee immigration.

Currently:

They must undergo a screening process that can take nearly three years, during which they are fingerprinted and required to submit other biometric information, subjected to criminal and terrorist background checks and put through repeated rounds of questioning about their families, friends and political activities, authorities said.

The process takes so long that experts said it would be unlikely for an extremist group to rely on a refugee program to sneak someone into the U.S. Terrorist organizations could instead send operatives to America as students or tourists or appeal to people already living in the U.S. to carry out attacks.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by MCasper » Nov Fri 20, 2015 5:27 am

Mac66 wrote:Protecting ourselves doesn't mean passing knee jerk legislation effectively suspending refugee immigration.

Currently:

They must undergo a screening process that can take nearly three years, during which they are fingerprinted and required to submit other biometric information, subjected to criminal and terrorist background checks and put through repeated rounds of questioning about their families, friends and political activities, authorities said.

The process takes so long that experts said it would be unlikely for an extremist group to rely on a refugee program to sneak someone into the U.S. Terrorist organizations could instead send operatives to America as students or tourists or appeal to people already living in the U.S. to carry out attacks.
Sounds good ... but before you buy into that propaganda, you might consider ...

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Actually, they were children of an asylum seeking Chechenian but they were let into our country because we are decent and compassionate and it bit us in the ass.

As to the three year process, we announced we were taking in some Syrian refugees a couple of months ago ... and the plan is to bring them here now, some are already here.

What exactly is knee jerk about this guy?
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Fri 20, 2015 8:29 am

Safety First.
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump voiced support Thursday evening for creating a mandatory database to track Muslims in the United States — the latest in an escalating series of responses following the deadly attacks in Paris.
Representative Seth Moulton of Salem, who voted against the bill, said “shutting the door on Syrian refugees who are fleeing the very terrorists we’re fighting is inconsistent with our values and will not help us defeat ISIS.”

“I fully support increasing the security and effectiveness of the refugee program, but the bill on the floor today was not a serious effort to do so,” Moulton said. “It was a counterproductive measure that would add needless red tape to an already strong process.”
On Monday, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey said the nation should not accept even young orphans right now; on Thursday, Ben Carson likened refugees fleeing Syria to “rabid dogs” that would put the country at risk.
Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson compared the need to screen refugees to protecting a child from a "rabid dog" at an event in Alabama today.
“For instance if there’s a rabid dog running around the neighborhood, probably not going to assume something good about that dog and you’re going to want to put your children away,” Carson said in response to an ABC News question regarding whether Christian organizations should be helping refugees.

He continued: "At the same time, I love dogs and I’m going to call the humane society and hopefully they can take this dog away and create a safe environment once again.”
Carson is an outsider who loves dogs. Got my vote.

Trump, the leading Republican, would put up Mexican and Canadian walls. Mandatory database to track Muslims? Armbands next? Trucks and machine guns to follow?

Now:
the United Nations High Commission for Refugees, which is the UN body responsible for protecting refugee populations, will interview people and determine whether they are eligible for refugee protection under international law. Then UNHCR typically creates a priority list — those who are sick, those who are most vulnerable (like unaccompanied children), those who are elderly, those who have close ties — they’ll be among the mass of people seeking and desperate to resettle in the US. There will be some who come to the head of the queue and will be subjected to US security background checks, health checks, a lot of rigorous checking, before they’re finally allowed to actually arrive.
A 2-3 year process.

Republicans want perfect safety, a perfect net, completely ignoring a vetting process much different than present in Europe.

Who knew that Republicans and rich college kids were alike: they both want "safe spaces" which means if you carry the same signs and say the same stupid things, you can come into our little private circle.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by specialties » Nov Fri 20, 2015 8:34 am

If the life boat can hold twenty then why not gross it out with a hundred??

We see past this...
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Fri 20, 2015 10:42 am

BTW: think on this as the right supports President Trump's wall:

from 2009 to 2014, an estimated 870,000 Mexicans came to the USA, while 1 million returned home, according to a report from the Pew Research Center.

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Post by HokieAl » Nov Fri 20, 2015 10:59 am

Mac66 wrote: They must undergo a screening process that can take nearly three years
That must cost me a lot of money. A 3 year project for every single refugee? And of what benefit is that to me?

How many times have you heard the justification for new legislation that goes something like this... "If it saves just one life, it was worth it". I'm more concerned with American lives.

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Post by HokieAl » Nov Fri 20, 2015 11:03 am

Mac66 wrote: Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson compared the need to screen refugees to protecting a child from a "rabid dog" at an event in Alabama today.
And Obama mocked Republicans while away from our country. Said we're afraid of women and children. And deceptively used statistics that are almost 5 years old.

Those terrorists in Paris hadn't been there long had they?

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Post by HokieAl » Nov Fri 20, 2015 11:08 am

HokieAl wrote:
Mac66 wrote:
And Obama mocked Republicans while away from our country. Said we're afraid of women and children. And deceptively used statistics that are almost 5 years old.
In denouncing Republicans as “scared of widows and orphans” and castigating those who prefer Christian refugees to Muslims coming to America, Barack Obama has come off as petulant and unpresidential.
At a soccer game between Turkey and Greece in Istanbul, Turks booed during the moment of silence for the Paris dead and chanted “Allahu Akbar.” Among 1.6 billion Muslims, hundreds of millions do not share our values regarding women’s rights, abortion, homosexuality, free speech, or the equality of all religious faiths.

Set aside the fanatics of ISIS. Does Saudi Arabia share Obama’s views and values regarding sexual freedom and the equality of Christianity, Judaism and Islam? Is anything like the First Amendment operative across the Sunni or Shiite world, or in China?
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/the-end-of-obamaworld/
On this issue the American president is, amazingly, barely relevant. The leaders and people of Europe and America will not be looking to him for wisdom, will, insight or resolve. No commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces can be wholly irrelevant, but to the extent one can be, Mr. Obama is. He has misjudged ISIS from the beginning—they were not, actually, the junior varsity—to the end. He claimed last week, to George Stephanopoulos, that ISIS has been “contained.” “I don’t think they’re gaining strength,” he said just before Paris blew.

After the attacks Mr. Obama went on TV, apparently to comfort us and remind us it’s OK, he’s in charge. He prattled on about violence being at odds with “universal values.” He proceeded as if unaware that there are no actually universal values, that right now the values of the West and radical Islam are clashing, violently, and we have to face it. The mainstream press saw right through him. At the news conference, CNN’s Jim Acosta referred to the “frustration” of “a lot of Americans,” who wonder: “Why can’t we take out these bastards?” The president sighed and talked down to him—to us. He has a strategy and it’s the right one and it’s sad you can’t see it.

Let him prattle on about climate change as the great threat of our time.

All he can do at this point is troll the GOP with the mischief of his refugee program. If he can’t work up a passion about radical Islamic violence, at least he can tie the Republicans in knots over whether they’re heartless bigots who want to prevent widows and children from taking refuge from the Syrian civil war.
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Fri 20, 2015 11:12 am

Said we're afraid of women and children
Apparently you missed Christie's remarks. He is. Fear is driving the Republican governors to act as they are.

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Post by HokieAl » Nov Fri 20, 2015 11:15 am

Mac66 wrote:
Said we're afraid of women and children
Apparently you missed Christie's remarks. He is. Fear is driving the Republican governors to act as they are.
Who was the latest suicide bomber to die in Paris?

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by JIMD » Nov Fri 20, 2015 11:59 am

http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/the-end-of-obamaworld/

Pat is spot on, I've always like his writing
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by MCasper » Nov Fri 20, 2015 12:37 pm

Mac66 wrote:... Representative Seth Moulton of Salem, who voted against the bill, said ... “I fully support increasing the security and effectiveness of the refugee program, but the bill on the floor today was not a serious effort to do so,” Moulton said. “It was a counterproductive measure that would add needless red tape to an already strong process.”
Typical liberal phony, ... I fully support increasing the security and effectiveness of the refugee program ... then the same disingenuous bastard says it is "needless (to do so because it's) an already strong process.”



Shorter ... I fully support it, but I don't really support it because it isn't needed ...

Dizzying stupidity on display.
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Fri 20, 2015 1:06 pm

Typical liberal phony...
Right.
During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Moulton led of one of the first infantry platoons to enter Baghdad. He served a total of four tours of duty in Iraq from 2003 to 2008.[4] Moulton took part in the 2003 Battle of Nasiriyah, leading a platoon that cleared a hostile stronghold. In that action, he went to the aid of a soldier wounded by friendly fire, and for his actions he was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal for valor.[8] Moulton was active in combat against insurgent forces in Iraq, including the 2004 Battle of Najaf against the militia of Muqtada al-Sadr.[9] Over two days, he "fearlessly exposed himself to enemy fire" as his platoon was pinned down under heavy fire and then directed the supporting fire that repelled the attack. He received the Bronze Star Medal for his actions in this battle.[8] He told only his campaign manager, a former marine, about these awards, keeping them secret even from his parents. When Boston Globe reporter Walter V. Robinson disclosed in October 2014 that Moulton had earned the Bronze Star and the Navy Commendation Medal, Moulton said that "There is a healthy disrespect among veterans who served on the front lines for people who walk around telling war stories". He said he was uncomfortable calling attention to his own awards out of respect to "many others who did heroic things and received no awards at all." He asked Robinson not to refer to him as a hero: "Look, we served our country, and we served the guys next to us. And it's not something to brag about." The Globe reported that "his voice choked with emotion" as he added: "The greatest honor of my life was to lead these men in my platoon, even though it was a war that I and they disagreed with."[8]

In 2008, General David Petraeus requested Moulton's assignment to work as a special liaison with tribal leaders in Southern Iraq during his fourth tour of duty in Iraq. Following that tour, Moulton left the Marine Corps with the rank of captain.[4][10][11]

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by HokieAl » Nov Fri 20, 2015 2:08 pm

Mac66 wrote:
Typical liberal phony...
Right.
Is your point that he's a liberal ex-military guy? We all knew that from his campaign ads. Is it relevant?

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by MCasper » Nov Fri 20, 2015 2:09 pm

Mac66 wrote:
Typical liberal phony...
Right.
During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Moulton led of one of the first infantry platoons to enter Baghdad. He served a total of four tours of duty in Iraq from 2003 to 2008.[4] Moulton took part in the 2003 Battle of Nasiriyah, leading a platoon that cleared a hostile stronghold. In that action, he went to the aid of a soldier wounded by friendly fire, and for his actions he was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal for valor.[8] Moulton was active in combat against insurgent forces in Iraq, including the 2004 Battle of Najaf against the militia of Muqtada al-Sadr.[9] Over two days, he "fearlessly exposed himself to enemy fire" as his platoon was pinned down under heavy fire and then directed the supporting fire that repelled the attack. He received the Bronze Star Medal for his actions in this battle.[8] He told only his campaign manager, a former marine, about these awards, keeping them secret even from his parents. When Boston Globe reporter Walter V. Robinson disclosed in October 2014 that Moulton had earned the Bronze Star and the Navy Commendation Medal, Moulton said that "There is a healthy disrespect among veterans who served on the front lines for people who walk around telling war stories". He said he was uncomfortable calling attention to his own awards out of respect to "many others who did heroic things and received no awards at all." He asked Robinson not to refer to him as a hero: "Look, we served our country, and we served the guys next to us. And it's not something to brag about." The Globe reported that "his voice choked with emotion" as he added: "The greatest honor of my life was to lead these men in my platoon, even though it was a war that I and they disagreed with."[8]

In 2008, General David Petraeus requested Moulton's assignment to work as a special liaison with tribal leaders in Southern Iraq during his fourth tour of duty in Iraq. Following that tour, Moulton left the Marine Corps with the rank of captain.[4][10][11]
How does that NOT make his comments phony? Why are you demagoguing this issue?
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by MCasper » Nov Fri 20, 2015 3:03 pm

Respondents' answers to the question "In general, do you have a positive or negative view of ISIL?"

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So, for today's math lesson.

Let's say we import 10k refugees. Let's say none of them are actual terrorists ... what will we get anyway?

400 who have a positive view of ISIS.
900 who have a somewhat positive view.

That's 1,300 people who have at least a somewhat positive view of a group that does this to children ...
74 children executed by ISIS for 'crimes' that include refusal to fast, report says
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Then we get another 1,000 who only have a negative view to some extent.
400 can't or won't figure out if they are good or bad?

So 2,700 new neighbors who cannot say they have a negative view of these animals. IN OUR COUNTRY.
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Mac66 » Nov Fri 20, 2015 3:06 pm

If its a demagogue you want, listen to Carson. Listen to Trump.

I recommend enforcement of the policy in place now regarding admission of Syrian refugees to the USA. The policy that I summarized in an earlier post. A rational policy.

You want a perfect trap, a perfect net. It will never happen. The right is playing to fear. That's irrational and prejudicial. That's demagoguery.

If someone is nuts enough to want to lose their life to kill others, they'll find a way. And no amount of right wing grandstanding is going to change that fact.

Whenever someone on the left proposes gun control legislation, the right rallies with cries of "enforce whats on the books."

So, take your own medicine and do that now.

Moulton is a hero who served this country with honor and distinction. For me, his opinion has a helluva lot more credibility than anything or anyone jumping in to score political points by proposing adding more controls to a system that doesn't require them.

Another proxy war against Obama. He's been a terrible foreign policy President, but we're better than this. Or used to be.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by HokieAl » Nov Fri 20, 2015 3:31 pm

Mac66 wrote:If its a demagogue you want, listen to Carson. Listen to Trump.
Or Obama. In Manila. Demagoguing tens of millions of Americans. Maybe he and Hanoi Jane should get together.

Mac66 wrote: I recommend enforcement of the policy in place now regarding admission of Syrian refugees to the USA. The policy that I summarized in an earlier post. A rational policy.
Maybe it was rational, but what we're seeing now shows that it may not be. The only records we know of the terrorists in France is that they had been fingerprinted in Greece in October. That's it. These people have no social security numbers, no way to ID them. So what do we do? Spend millions of dollars on each one to send someone to Syria to ask questions about them? Who the hell knows how we vet them. They're un-vettable since they basically have no documentation.
Mac66 wrote: Another proxy war against Obama. He's been a terrible foreign policy President, but we're better than this. Or used to be.
It's a runaway victory. He's sealed the deal as the worst president in my lifetime. He took that award from Carter sprinting away.

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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by Bridges » Nov Fri 20, 2015 3:34 pm

HokieAl wrote:It's a runaway victory. He's sealed the deal as the worst president in my lifetime. He took that award from Carter sprinting away.
He was elected by the voters of this country.

Democratically.

Twice.

Over a large slate of GOP candidates.

What does that say about the pack of clowns you folks trot out every election cycle? =))
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Re: Paris and the Destruction of Christian European Culture

Post by MCasper » Nov Fri 20, 2015 3:50 pm

Mac66 wrote:If its a demagogue you want, listen to Carson. Listen to Trump.

I recommend enforcement of the policy in place now regarding admission of Syrian refugees to the USA. The policy that I summarized in an earlier post. A rational policy.

You want a perfect trap, a perfect net. It will never happen. The right is playing to fear. That's irrational and prejudicial. That's demagoguery.

If someone is nuts enough to want to lose their life to kill others, they'll find a way. And no amount of right wing grandstanding is going to change that fact.

Whenever someone on the left proposes gun control legislation, the right rallies with cries of "enforce whats on the books."

So, take your own medicine and do that now.

Moulton is a hero who served this country with honor and distinction. For me, his opinion has a helluva lot more credibility than anything or anyone jumping in to score political points by proposing adding more controls to a system that doesn't require them.

Another proxy war against Obama. He's been a terrible foreign policy President, but we're better than this. Or used to be.
1) Trump didn't come up with that plan. A reporter from the Hill said that. Intentional distortion, again passed on by you.

2) The dogs were ISIS, not the rest. Again, intentionally distorted ... passed on by you.

3) There is a perfect net ... don't take any. Use the money to care for them there.

4) Moulton is a hero who served this country with honor and distinction. Amen. Doesn't mean he can't say something phony (as he did.)

This is so unlike you Mac?
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