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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by specialties » Sep Sat 05, 2009 10:07 am

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Do you recon that the fight to give illegals free health care ( legally ) is at the seat of their effort??
I don't know of many liberals who care about anyone but themselves and the party's strength...

Is that the 35 million who are not insured?? Will auto insurance be included??
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Post by Phil » Sep Sat 05, 2009 10:24 am

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Marshead wrote:... What I do know is that a client of mine is currently suing a large, private HMO right now for denying critical care to his late wife on the grounds that she was going to die anyway.
So, as the guys lawyer you stand to make a handsome profit over that episode of sadness. And, you would be...let me guess...against the inclusion of Tort Reform in the legislation?
What a coincidence! He is for ObamaCare which just happens to purposely exclude tort reform. :lol: :lol:

Now if they really wanted to reform healtcare instead of continuing to reward hacks, friends, & lawyers (with huge lawsuit payouts), the plan might look something like this:
The better policy approach is consumer driven health care. Heritage scholar Ed Haislmaier detailed six key principles of reform that will bring sanity to our nation's health care system:

1. Individuals are the key decision makers in the health care system. This would be a major departure from conventional third-party pay­ment arrangements that dominate today's health care financing in both the public and the private sectors. In a normal market based on personal choice and free-market competition, consumers drive the system.

2. Individuals buy and own their own health insurance coverage. In a normal market, when individuals exchange money for a good or service, they acquire a property right in that good or ser­vice, but in today's system, individuals and families rarely have property rights in their health insur­ance coverage. The policy is owned and controlled by a third party, either their employers or govern­ment officials. In a reformed system, individuals would own their health insurance, just as they own virtually every other type of insurance in virtually every other sector of the economy.

3. Individuals choose their own health insur­ance coverage. Individuals, not employers or government officials, would choose the health care coverage and level of coverage that they think best. In a normal market, the primacy of consumer choice is the rule, not the exception.

4. Individuals have a wide range of coverage choices. Suppliers of medical goods and ser­vices, including health plans, could freely enter and exit the health care market.

5. Prices are transparent. As in a normal market, individuals as consumers would actually know the prices of the health insurance plan or the medical goods and services that they are buying. This would help them to compare the value that they receive for their money.

6. Individuals have the periodic opportunity to change health coverage. In a consumer-driven health insurance market, individuals would have the ability to pick a new health plan on predict­able terms. They would not be locked into past decisions and deprived of the opportunity to make future choices.

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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by Marshead » Sep Mon 07, 2009 12:52 pm

So, as the guys lawyer you stand to make a handsome profit over that episode of sadness. And, you would be...let me guess...against the inclusion of Tort Reform in the legislation?
Yes, I profit from this man's sadness -- just as your doctor and your pharmacist profit whenever you and/or your kid gets sick. Despite their ghoulish profiteering, I'll bet you're glad to have them around.

As for me, I answer my phone when it rings, I work hard for the fees that I charge (less than most), and my client is very glad to have my services versus having to battle a soul-less, well-funded insurance behemoth on his own.

As for "Tort Reform," I'm not sure which version in which bill you are referring to, but "Tort Reform" is usually GOP-speak for "Let's give legal immunity to some of our largest campaign contributors." It is a classic GOP red herring -- state and federal judges already have the power to dismiss frivilous lawsuits and to award the prevailing party its attorney's fees and costs, and it is not uncommon for them to do so. Tort reform essentially legalizes tortious conduct, and weakens incentives for insurance companies and doctors -- who already have numerous procedural protections that are afforded to no other class of defendants -- to improve the way they do things to provide for better patient outcomes. Like so many ditties in the GOP songbook, "Tort Reform" makes for a pithy bumpersticker slogan and lousy public policy, which benefits the powerful few at the expense of the many.
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Post by MCasper » Sep Mon 07, 2009 3:10 pm

Tort reform does no such thing. It limits awards, yet it does many other things that will weed out frivolous suits and punish bad actors who game the system. That means Insurance companies as well. I personally like the idea of "medical courts" as championed by a group called Common Good.

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Post by jonathan » Sep Mon 07, 2009 3:29 pm

I think we need tort reform but there is a fine line to watch out for here.

When a physician or a facility is negligent, there needs to be someway to get compensation.

The compensation that is acceptable is that which is needed to sustain a lifestyle that has been impacted by negligence.

For example, a procedure that leaves a person a parapalegic or with brain damage, the awards have to be enought to able to cover the cost of sustaining that person in a good quality of life for an expected lifetime. IT also needs to include damages to the family who have to bare extra costs such as home modification, home nurses etc for the life of the victim. There also needs to be an award if someone from the family has to stop working or cut back on their employment to care for the victim.

I agree that the pain and suffering awards a far to high and based purely on emotion but this reform CANNOT be a shield for bad doctors or bad facilities.

There also needs to be true national competition between health insurance companies.
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Post by specialties » Sep Mon 07, 2009 4:24 pm

We're liking the flavor of this thread as is shows a possible universal conclusion...

We all see the rip off rates of greedy biz gold diggers ( cuz we pay it ), but we also abhor the idea of that inefficient amongst most inefficient socialist pogroms, the hackorama 'help me' gig...

Let these extremes face off in the public square and sell US, we who are the ones buying...
We'll decide, and we don't need another 1000 page, 1,000,000,000,000, dollar crap sandwich fed down our throats in the middle of the night under a 7 watt lamp...
THAT'S EVIL!!! Saith Daniel Webster...

Then the greedy can roll the skin back and the inefficient part of government becomes unnesessary, and we establish a mutual win-win...
Then plenty of money to set up mobile clinics where needed too, just to keep some REAL democratic flavor...
What abandon a political party that really used to be great???

Anyone who disagrees is either a platinum plated yuppy koo koo bird, or a dirty rotten communist...

Not US tho... We're OK and you're OK... Who pays the bills around here anyway???
Do WE want to go on strike?? We'll buy what we gal dang want!!!

Check to old Daniel below>>>
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Re: Health care the way it should be

Post by Phil » Sep Mon 07, 2009 6:09 pm

Although medical malpractice only makes up @ 2% of the total cost, it's a easy way for the dems to get some bi-partisan support for health care reform...
some Democrats do believe that placing significant limits on malpractice awards can build a bipartisan consensus on reform. On Tuesday, former Democratic Senator Bill Bradley published an Op-Ed in the New York Times drawing on the tax reform example of the Reagan years as a template for bipartisan unity on contentious issues . "The bipartisan trade-off in a viable health care bill is obvious," Bradley wrote. "Combine universal coverage with malpractice tort reform in health care." Bradley then went on to call for the creation of "medical courts," much similar to U.S. bankruptcy courts but specializing in malpractice issues.

Bob Beckel, who had managed Walter Mondale's 1984 presidential campaign, reiterated this sentiment, albeit sounding a more Machiavellian note:

Politically, I am convinced that by adding tort reform to healthcare (sic) legislation will instantaneously change the debate; take a major weapon to defeat health reform from the GOP arsenal; bring huge numbers of doctors and healthcare providers to the reformers side, and in one stroke rekindle the momentum for reform before the summer of 'death panels' soured the public support...
Oh yeah, and don't forget to follow the money:
An Examiner analysis of the 15 firms on the National Law Journal's "2008 Plaintiff's Hot List" shows that for 2009, their employees have contributed $636,305 to federal politicians and PACs. Only $4,875 of that amount has gone to Republicans, meaning that the nation's top trial lawyers are giving more than 99 percent Democratic this year. The PAC for the American Association of Justice, the top trial lawyer lobbying group, has been marginally more balanced, giving Democrats a mere 96 percent of its $627,000 in contributions.

These trial lawyers are especially concentrating on the Senate. Members of those same 15 firms have given $236,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee this year. And trial lawyers know that the Senate is controlled by one of their own -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who faces a potentially difficult re-election. Reid has taken in some $54,000 from the top 15 firms. According to OpenSecrets, he has taken $978,000 from the legal industry as a whole.
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Post by Marshead » Sep Mon 07, 2009 9:36 pm

Good point on following the money, Phil. Just as one "fer instance," Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse (CALA) is an "astroturf" organization launched in the 1990s by none other than Philip Morris. Apparently, they didn't want to get sued any more. Who do you think contributes to CALA, or to the American Tort Reform Association, or other groups like them? Individuals? Yeah, right. "Tort reform" means: "Let's make the courts work better -- for us."

And what about the simple fact that the vaaaaast majority of tort law is state law? Do you propose a federal takeover of the legal systems of all 50 states? I thought "State's rights" was the conservatives' battle cry.

And then there's the question of whether "tort reform" will actually accomplish its stated objective -- lowering insurance premiums:
Representative of the Ohio Health Insurance Company testifying before the Wyoming
Legislature:

Tort reform will not lower rates. (Casper Star Tribune, May 4, 2003)
Medical Assurance Co. of Mississippi:

“[T]ort reform does not provide a magical 'silver-bullet' that will immediately affect medical
malpractice insurance rates.' (Medical Assurance Co. of Mississippi, September 2002)
Patricia Costante, chairman and CEO of the MIIX Group of Insurance Companies:

When asked by New Jersey Assemblyman Paul D'Amato whether, if caps are enacted in New
Jersey, her insurance company will not raise premiums and will, in fact, reduce them, she said,
“No, we're not telling you that.' (Meeting of the New Jersey Assembly Joint Committee of
Banking & Insurance and Health & Human Services on Medical Malpractice, June 3, 2002)
American Insurance Association:

“[T]he insurance industry never promised that tort reform would achieve specific premium
savings.' (American Insurance Association Press Release, March 13, 2002)
Sherman Joyce, President, American Tort Reform Association:

“We wouldn't tell you or anyone that the reason to pass tort reform would be to reduce insurance
rates.' (Liability Week, July 19, 1999)
Victor Schwartz, General Counsel, American Tort Reform Association:

“[M]any tort reform advocates do not contend that restricting litigation will lower insurance
rates, and 'I've never said that in 30 years.'' (Business Insurance, July 19, 1999)
Dick Marquardt, Washington Insurance Commissioner:

It was “impossible to attribute stable insurance rates to tort-law changes or the damages cap,'
since rates also improved in states that did not pass tort reform. (The Seattle Times, May 16, 1991)
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Post by Joe P in 08 » Sep Mon 07, 2009 10:38 pm

Marshead wrote:Yes, I profit from this man's sadness -- just as your doctor and your pharmacist profit whenever you and/or your kid gets sick. Despite their ghoulish profiteering, I'll bet you're glad to have them around.
Exept that if someone wants to 'buy' a remedy to treat symptoms, there is no need for a middle-man, a.k.a.: 'lawyer' - to jack up the costs.

The medical courts idea sounds good. Even the lawyers will go for it - because even in a medical court a plaintiff would still need an attorney. But, it's operation could result in a set of standards and precedents whereby an aggrieved patient or surviving relative, for example, could still seek and, maybe get, justice.
And all that would make sense if there was a positive impact to overall insurance rates and premiums.
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Post by Marshead » Sep Tue 08, 2009 2:15 pm

Exept that if someone wants to 'buy' a remedy to treat symptoms, there is no need for a middle-man, a.k.a.: 'lawyer' -to jack up the costs.
If you know exactly what you need, and it's available in the aisles at CVS, knock yourself out, Joe. But not every medical issue can be resolved quite so simply. If it involves a diagnosis, a prescription or a scalpel, self-treatment may not be your best option...
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Post by jonathan » Sep Wed 09, 2009 8:50 pm

Whoever shouted "liar" at the president is a disgrace. If they are an elected official they should be tossed out of congress.
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Post by Phil » Sep Wed 09, 2009 8:55 pm

Gee Chris would never waste two sentences and 1kb of disk space on such a trivial matter. Then again maybe he would... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Way to change the subject, you silly ambulance chaser, but you can't change this fact. :lol: :lol: :lol:
An Examiner analysis of the 15 firms on the National Law Journal's "2008 Plaintiff's Hot List" shows that for 2009, their employees have contributed $636,305 to federal politicians and PACs. Only $4,875 of that amount has gone to Republicans, meaning that the nation's top trial lawyers are giving more than 99 percent Democratic this year. The PAC for the American Association of Justice, the top trial lawyer lobbying group, has been marginally more balanced, giving Democrats a mere 96 percent of its $627,000 in contributions.
On the other side of this issue are the doctors:
According to recent polling on Sermo, true healthcare reform will only succeed
IF:

1. Tort and malpractice laws are reformed;

2. Billing is streamlined and pricing made transparent, ending systemic support
of the AMA owned billing codes (CPT Codes);

3. The insurance industry is reformed;

4. Payment systems are simplified so they align with the growing need for
preventive medicine.

About Sermo:

Founded in 2006, by Dr. Daniel Palestrant, Sermo represents the US physician`s
community and is the largest, physicians-only online network where doctors go to
ask and answer questions of each other, and share medical observations from
their daily practice, revolutionizing the way doctors collaborate across the
United States.
from "10,000 US Physicians Appeal Directly to Their Senators"

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRel ... BW20090908

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Post by jonathan » Sep Wed 09, 2009 9:17 pm

Congressman Joe Brown of South Carolina needs to resign immediately
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Post by Jesus Son » Sep Wed 09, 2009 9:50 pm

Amazing speech. I am proud to have such man represent my country. Even if you disagree with him politically, you have to respect his compassion, intelligence, and skills as an orator.

And yes, Joe Brown is an ass.

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Post by specialties » Sep Wed 09, 2009 9:56 pm

and skills as an orator
As long as the teleprompter doesn't go on the blink...
Whoever shouted "liar" at the president is a disgrace. If they are an elected official they should be tossed out of congress.
For what, telling the truth???


And how many congress persons have lied to us more recently???
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Post by dtpfv3.0 » Sep Wed 09, 2009 10:01 pm

Was it Joe Brown or Joe Wilson?
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Post by jonathan » Sep Wed 09, 2009 10:05 pm

It was Joe Wilson, my bad.
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Post by jonathan » Sep Wed 09, 2009 10:07 pm

You must respect the office of the president. It is simple as that. Actions such as that emboldens our enemies foreign and domestic.

Congressman Wilson is a Colonel in the National Guard, should he be punished for disrespecting a superior officer?
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Post by Phil » Sep Wed 09, 2009 10:22 pm

Get real, there are always partisan stunts during a speech like this. Stop being so naive!
Feb. 2, 2005: Democrats in the House chamber booed briefly when Bush laid out his dire predictions for Social Security, illustrating the deep partisan divisions over the thorny issue.
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Post by Marshead » Sep Wed 09, 2009 10:47 pm

I was going to say, before I even saw Phil's post above, that I've watched many joint sessions of Congress on television, and I've heard some booing (directed towards both Democratic and Republican presidents). But heckling? Heckling the President of the United States during a joint session of Congress? Are you kidding me? It really puts the freakouts, and the ranting, and the Nazi rhetoric, and the gun-toting at those Town Hall meetings in context: Too many members of the "loyal" opposition have no respect for the office of the President, nor for the results of the last election. And that includes the imbecile who is holding a sign during the President's address (see video, below), as if he is a disgruntled Packer fan razzing Brett Favre at some Vikings game versus a United States Congressman attending a Presidential address to a joint session of Congress. I hope that both of those jackasses get a pie in the face the next time they appear anywhere in public.

Any Republican who isn't embarrassed by these stunts is beneath contempt.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_heckling
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Post by MCasper » Sep Wed 09, 2009 11:42 pm

Marshead wrote:... Too many members of the "loyal" opposition have no respect for the office of the President, nor for the results of the last election..
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Post by MCasper » Sep Wed 09, 2009 11:44 pm

“This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.' - South Carolina rep Joe Wilson

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Post by Marshead » Sep Thu 10, 2009 12:02 am

I love Tina Fey. And Wilson's apology came so fast, it can only be filed under the category "Damage control." An appropriate and necessary gesture, but he's still an ass. If you are so unable to control your emotions (and reactions to them), try a guest stint on Jerry Springer instead of running for Congress.
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Post by Earl Jr » Sep Thu 10, 2009 3:25 am

jonathan wrote:Congressman Joe Brown of South Carolina needs to resign immediately
That guy was great! Except he apologized the fool!
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Post by Earl Jr » Sep Thu 10, 2009 3:29 am

"You must respect the office of the president"

Oh yeah, maybe the office of the (dictator) er president should respect THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!
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Post by MCasper » Sep Thu 10, 2009 5:54 am

The "resign" nonsense is just that ... nonsense.

I do have much sympathy for Wilson because it IS maddening to watch this guy attack and bellittle and lie ... while calling for civitity and respect and an "honest" debate. It is truly shameless.

However, Wilson was right to appologize Earl. He didn't say Obama was not lying ... that would have also been a lie.

What he said was right ... "... my comments were inappropriate and regrettable ..." They were both. They were true ... but I think this is a case where you turn to the person beside you and ask ... Did I say that out loud?
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Post by specialties » Sep Thu 10, 2009 7:04 am

Marshy,

Glad you found another insignificant piece of flysquat to amplify and make big in front of our small minds while your proletariat burns the country ...

Hey, how about your party boss hog last night, did he step in it, or what??? :shock:

Marshy, u is in deep moonbat dung...

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Post by specialties » Sep Thu 10, 2009 7:08 am

Marshy,

Glad you found another insignificant piece of flysquat to amplify and make big in front of our small minds while your proletariat burns the country ...

Hey, how about your party boss hog last night, did he step in it, or what??? :shock:

Marshy, u is in deep moonbat dung...

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* I just went to google 'obama apologize' and the list of possibilities is infinite, but NONE to the American people which he seems to have more distain for than U even...
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Post by dtpfv3.0 » Sep Thu 10, 2009 7:23 am

I could have sworn that I heard two people say "Lie" (or maybe Wilson said it twice).

I heard a first faint "Lie" (roughly the 11 second point on this video when Pelosi first jerks her head to the left) followed by some audience clamor before a second more audible "Lie" at second 16 where Pelosi jerks her head to the left again (presumably the Joe Wilson comment).

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Post by dtpfv3.0 » Sep Thu 10, 2009 7:27 am

Also, is this the current bill that is in question?

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text
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Post by Marshead » Sep Thu 10, 2009 8:24 am

Sounds likes his outburst last night was very much in character for Joe Wilson. (See blue font, below.)

I watched the speech again late last night (caught only parts of it live). I saw it the way conservative Democrat Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska saw it: As a "game changer." Obama's call for bipartisanship (along with several nods to the GOP, and to certain specific GOP legislators) was both gracious and good politics, but he also forcefully called out those who have injected so much fear and distortion into this debate, while effectively rallying and enregizing his own party. A+.

But now the hard work begins -- translating the President's call for action into results on Capitol Hill, which means convincing enough conservatives that they are on the wrong side of history (yet again -- see Social Security, Medicare), and that they need to view the health care reform debate more as a chance to make some difficult but necessary compromises for the good of the country rather than just as an opportunity to deny President Obama a major legislative achievement.

Last but not least, some perspective on Joe Wilson, from Politico.com:

House Majority Whip James Clyburn, a South Carolina Democrat, said the remark was the latest in a long line of political attacks by Wilson.

“Joe Wilson took our state's reputation to a new low. I thought Mark Sanford had taken it as low as it could go, but this is beyond the pale," Clyburn said.

"Joe is very confrontational," he added. "He held his first town hall meeting three blocks from my house at my kid's high school. Now why would he have this town hall meeting in my congressional district, three blocks from my house in my kid's high school? It's not in his district. [Emphasis added.]

That's the kind of guy Joe Wilson is. He loves confronting people. So he was confronting the president, just as he was confronting me."


No, Mark, he is not a sympathetic character. He is a complete ass. GWB, Bill Clinton, and numerous other presidents used rhetoric in nationally televised addresses to Congress that was sharp at times. They may have even shaded or bent the truth in doing so (not that I am conceding Obama did so here). But I have never heard of such a disgraceful outburst during a President's speech. And those boors waiving signs and copies of bills are right down there with Joe Wilson.
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Post by Marshead » Sep Thu 10, 2009 8:36 am

Way to change the subject, you silly ambulance chaser, but you can't change this fact.
1. I don't do medical malpractice, you silly knuckle-dragging cut-and-paster.

2. I'm sure you'd rather not talk about the fact that large corporations -- insurance companies, to a great extent -- contribute the most money towards "tort reform" (in order to wrap themselves in a nice, warm, paid-for blanket of legal immunity). But just because that point is inconvenient for you doesn't make it off topic.
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Post by MCasper » Sep Thu 10, 2009 9:10 am

I would concur with both statement from Lindsey Graham on the speech:
I was incredibly disappointed in the tone of his speech. At times I found his tone to be overly combative and believe he behaved in a manner beneath the dignity of the office. I fear his speech tonight has made it more difficult -- not less -- to find common ground.

He appeared to be angry at his critics and disappointed the American people were not buying the proposals he has been selling. The president's confrontational demeanor increased the emotional and political divide. I hope the President will learn that true bipartisanship begins with mutual respect. Criticism of a public official is to be expected and not all criticism is demagoguery.

When it comes to the public option, the President is either being disingenuous or misinformed. The public option, contrary to the president's claims, will eventually lead to a government takeover of our health care system.

One could easily be led to believe tonight's speech is the beginning of a 'go it alone' strategy. If the Obama Administration and congressional Democrats go down this path and push a bill on the American people they do not want, it could be the beginning of the end of the Obama presidency.
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The president's combative tone did not justify a Member of Congress shouting out 'you lie.' Our nation's president deserves to be treated with respect It was inappropriate remark and I am glad an apology has been made.
Chip giving this very lackluster speech an A+ confirms that he was playing to the base here.

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Post by specialties » Sep Thu 10, 2009 9:10 am

A tear for mushy, cuz he got slim pickins in view of and to pit against megga bad commie plot pogroms to overthrow the country...
Go see what you can do about wiping FOX off the air... Ask chavez and castro how...
Oh sure, wilson is a real creep but he didn't call you an a-****...
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Yeah, bridgepimp, what Laura Bush thought about what someone sed is real up close and in our face...
That all you got???


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Post by GoingCoastal » Sep Thu 10, 2009 9:43 am

I was going to say, before I even saw Phil's post above, that I've watched many joint sessions of Congress on television, and I've heard some booing (directed towards both Democratic and Republican presidents). But heckling? Heckling the President of the United States during a joint session of Congress? Are you kidding me?
Review the 2005 SOTU again. There was plenty of shouts of "NO!" with or without the booing. I think you have a new definition of heckling - if done by one person it's heckling, if done by a crowd, it's booing.

Not proper on either side.
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Post by lost cause » Sep Thu 10, 2009 10:07 am

Marshead wrote:
But now the hard work begins -- translating the President's call for action into results on Capitol Hill, which means convincing enough conservatives that they are on the wrong side of history (yet again -- see Social Security, Medicare), and that they need to view the health care reform debate more as a chance to make some difficult but necessary compromises for the good of the country rather than just as an opportunity to deny President Obama a major legislative achievement.
First off big deal the guy yelled out at the president, considering what Congressman Rangel is currently doing, it is not such a big deal.

The republicans were not on the wrong side of social security as both the Senate and Congressional bill based with huge partisan numbers.
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Post by MCasper » Sep Thu 10, 2009 7:32 pm

No American should have to choose between health care and '¦

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Post by jonathan » Sep Thu 10, 2009 8:42 pm

Another classless effort.

It is amazing that you posted that, I thought you were more intelligent than that.

Everyone without health insurance is a drunken, well dressed minority body builder.
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Post by jonathan » Sep Thu 10, 2009 8:50 pm

Upon further review Mr. Casper, what a derogatory and nasty thing to post insinuating that there are not really hard working people out there who are struggling with these health care decisions. You denagrated them by mocking their plight.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post by specialties » Sep Thu 10, 2009 9:15 pm

Chris is back...
Everyone without health insurance is a drunken, well dressed minority body builder.
Well, between that, druggies, and illegals, plus those who opt out from a sense of no need...
Besides, the E/R is always open and guess who picks up that slack???

We went years without insurance, why?? Actuarial tables said it was OK...
Why bet good money after bad.??.

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