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CHRISTMAS BREAK PROTESTER INTERVIEW

Post by localstudent » Dec Wed 24, 2014 11:48 am

Hi there -

My name is Olivia Harvey and I'm a part-time Marshfield resident in my Junior year at Emerson College. This recent "Christmas Break/ Holiday Break" has caused a huge uproar amongst the Marshfield community and has even been brought up amongst my classmates at Emerson. At my school, which is extremely liberal, people are wondering why changing the name from "Christmas Break" to "Holiday Break" is such a big deal and worth protesting about - and I'm wondering the same. Is there anyone who would be willing to be interviewed about this topic so I can write an article for school? Even just replying a response to this post would help - and I can provide questions below as well.

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Post by Bridges » Dec Wed 24, 2014 12:15 pm

Well, part of it as you said...

Your school is very liberal.

As a fellow liberal, I can tell you that this town is anything but.

I am very much with your fellow students...can't fathom what the big deal is about what to call the holiday period on the school calendar.

It's not like the school committee is sneaking around town, stealing folks' Christmas trees from their homes, and tearing down their lights! :roll:

Having said that, there are conservatives who understand the need to be inclusive, and that not everybody is Christian. You'd just be hard pressed to find any of such conservatives in this town, it seems...
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Post by localstudent » Dec Wed 24, 2014 3:34 pm

Thanks Bridges!

I'm wondering if the town protesters are protesting against the fact that the school committee is focusing on things other than curriculum or if it is just about the name of the school break. How will these protests better the town of Marshfield as a whole? I, personally, don't think they will. I'd love to hear from someone who disagrees though - need all angles.

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Post by lost cause » Dec Wed 24, 2014 7:02 pm

The idiots are protesting over a stupid name change, because they have nothing else going on in their pathetic lives that matters. What they should do is just get rid of the vacation in the first place and it will solve all of the problems. Many of the people protesting don't have any kids in the school to begin with are just jumping on the pathetic bandwagon.

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Post by Vlad_Rap » Dec Wed 24, 2014 7:50 pm

Emerson Student wrote:
At my school, which is extremely liberal, people are wondering why changing the name from "Christmas Break" to "Holiday Break" is such a big deal and worth protesting about - and I'm wondering the same.
The other way of looking at this name change thing is to ask why the school committee thought it was so absolutely vital to force this issue knowing full well it was going to tick off alot of people. Did the committee think this name change was going to bring the towns's different factions closer together? Was it really only because other town's were doing it? Do they really have so little to be concerned with?

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Post by Bridges » Dec Thu 25, 2014 3:48 pm

Vlad_Rap wrote:The other way of looking at this name change thing is to ask why the school committee thought it was so absolutely vital to force this issue knowing full well it was going to tick off alot of people. Did the committee think this name change was going to bring the towns's different factions closer together? Was it really only because other town's were doing it? Do they really have so little to be concerned with?
It is not the job of the school committee to do the politically expedient thing.

It is the job of the school committee to do what THEY think is the right thing. And the right thing - is to be inclusive to EVERYBODY. And they did that.

Perhaps the people who are ticked off, should ask themselves why, instead of blaming the school committee.

I mean...come on. The whole controversy was about what to call the holiday period on the school calendar. Which, as the Emerson student body is apparently able to discern far better than this town, is a COMPLETELY ABSURD thing to get upset about! :shock:

Seriously!

Again - the school committee is not sneaking into your house, and stealing your tree.
They are not tearing down your Christmas lights.
Christmas still happened, did it not? :roll:
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Post by Vlad_Rap » Dec Thu 25, 2014 4:56 pm

The point is - this issue is not within the school committees province of influence. Their job is not the socialist/atheist indoctrination of our kids. Their job is to provide the means of teaching our kids to think for themselves.

This issue is one which properly should have been brought up before town meeting in order to allow parents to decide - if it absolutely had to be brought up at all.

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Post by Bridges » Dec Thu 25, 2014 7:17 pm

Vlad_Rap wrote:The point is - this issue is not within the school committees province of influence.
:shock: Say what?

How do you figure that?

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that the school committee / school administration should not be the ones deciding what should go on the school calendar?

That is EXACTLY the job of the school committee.

And the process in this case worked exactly as it should. Town residents got enough signatures for a meeting, and then the meeting was held.

But the decision still rests with the relevant committee (in this case the school committee).
Their job is not the socialist/atheist indoctrination of our kids.
=)) No wonder the Emerson student body are scratching their heads! You sound like a deranged loon!
And you amazingly intolerant lot are EXACTLY why poll after poll is showing that the Millennial generation is turning away from organized religion, and embracing tolerance.
Their job is to provide the means of teaching our kids to think for themselves.
Which makes it even more absurd and pathetic to think how many of you have stated you would vote out the school committee members who supported this change...never mind what kind of a job they have done to improve our schools. :shock:
This issue is one which properly should have been brought up before town meeting in order to allow parents to decide - if it absolutely had to be brought up at all.
No - parents do NOT get to vote on what our schools do.

Parents do NOT get to vote on whether the schools teach evolution or creationism.

Parents do NOT get to vote to ban books they personally find offensive.

You can't see the dangers in allowing that sort of thing?

No - we elect school committee members, THEN WE ALLOW THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS. WITHOUT INTERFERENCE.

Same as the Board of Selectmen, and other boards as well.
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Post by NewNRAMember » Dec Thu 25, 2014 8:32 pm

Bridges wrote: No - parents do NOT get to vote on what our schools do
and neither does the school committee you cotton headed ninny mugging. Here in America, each State's Department of Education sets the curriculum ..... Not the school committee (thank The Lord).
Bridges wrote: No - we elect school committee members, THEN WE ALLOW THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS. WITHOUT INTERFERENCE.


Which IS NOT choosing the curriculum for the children. and I'm preeeeeeeeety sure we have a Constitutional right to challenge our elected officials whenever we please. You're thinking of the Politburo.
Bridges wrote: You sound like a deranged loon!
And you amazingly intolerant lot are EXACTLY why poll after poll is showing that the Millennial generation is turning away from organized religion, and embracing

bridges.... Keep telling yourself that the atheists are coming on strong when Pew constantly says it was/is/ and will be an AGE issue. All these fellow atheists you keep talking about when they grow up will turn back to God. That's not from me.... That's from your precious social scientists at PEW.


Although Millennials report praying less often than their elders do today, the GSS shows that Millennials are in sync with Generation X and Baby Boomers when members of those generations were younger. In the 2008 GSS survey, roughly four-in-ten Millennials report praying daily (41%), as did 42% of members of Generation X in the late 1990s. Baby Boomers reported praying at a similar rate in the early 1980s (47%), when the first data are available for them. GSS data show that daily prayer increases as people get older.

Yet in other ways, Millennials remain fairly traditional in their religious beliefs and practices. Pew Research Center surveys show, for instance, that young adults’ beliefs about life after death and the existence of heaven, hell and miracles closely resemble the beliefs of older people today. Though young adults pray less often than their elders do today, the number of young adults who say they pray every day rivals the portion of young people who said the same in prior decades. And though belief in God is lower among young adults than among older adults, Millennials say they believe in God with absolute certainty at rates similar to those seen among Gen Xers a decade ago. This suggests that some of the religious differences between younger and older Americans today are not entirely generational but result in part from people’s tendency to place greater emphasis on religion as they age.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/02/17/reli ... llennials/

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Post by HokieAl » Dec Thu 25, 2014 8:49 pm

localstudent wrote:At my school, which is extremely liberal, people are wondering why changing the name from "Christmas Break" to "Holiday Break" is such a big deal and worth protesting about - and I'm wondering the same.
Perhaps you should interview them and ask them their own question - why is changing the name such a priority. The old name was working. Why did they want to tamper with it.

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Post by Bridges » Dec Thu 25, 2014 9:10 pm

HokieAl wrote:The old name was working.
For you.
Why did they want to tamper with it.
Sounds an awful like what the slave owners said back in the day...

See - it ain't just about YOU...

There's more than just Christians in this town.

This year's Winter break overlaps: Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Christmas, New Year
SO WHY SHOULD IT ONLY BE KNOWN AS "CHRISTMAS VACATION", YEAR AFTER YEAR?

Why should you matter more?

Fact is - you don't.

Deal with it.
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Post by HokieAl » Dec Thu 25, 2014 9:19 pm

Bridges - butt out. I was responding to her, not to you. It's abundantly clear that you're all for generification and ruining tradition for others. It's almost like bullying. She was asking for the other point of view, not yours.

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Post by NewNRAMember » Dec Thu 25, 2014 9:30 pm

HokieAl wrote:Bridges - butt out
The miracle two thousand and fourteen years ago was much easy then the one your asking for now :roll:

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Post by Bridges » Dec Thu 25, 2014 9:50 pm

NewNRAMember wrote:and neither does the school committee you cotton headed ninny mugging. Here in America, each State's Department of Education sets the curriculum ..... Not the school committee (thank The Lord).
http://www.doe.mass.edu/lawsregs/adviso ... 15gov.html
Mass DOE wrote:The school committee establishes educational goals and policies for the schools in the district
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Broad, system-wide curriculum or school restructuring issues, such as whether the district should establish a French immersion program for grades K-6, or whether to switch from a junior high to a middle school structure, concern educational goals and policies for the district. As policy issues, these matters are for the school committee to decide, after seeking advice and recommendation from the superintendent
There have been MANY examples, HERE IN AMERICA, where misguided school committees did cave into parental pressures, and vote to ban books. Something you seem to claim can't happen here in America via school committees:

http://www.pe.com/articles/book-750585- ... ittee.html
Riverside CA Press Enterpise Sept. 2014 wrote:A Riverside schools committee has banned the book “The Fault in Our Stars” from its middle schools after a parent challenged the teen love story as inappropriate for that age group.
Hmm - seems school committees, and parents, can sometimes do one hell of a lot of curriculum setting! :roll:
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Bridges wrote: No - we elect school committee members, THEN WE ALLOW THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS. WITHOUT INTERFERENCE.


Which IS NOT choosing the curriculum for the children.
Really? Clearly they have input. I just showed you one case where they banned a book - that certainly is input into the curriculum.

And I could show you MANY, MANY more instances where school committees had major input into school curriculum.
and I'm preeeeeeeeety sure we have a Constitutional right to challenge our elected officials whenever we please. You're thinking of the Politburo.
Sure. Might make sense if you challenged the school committee on something remotely relevant...like how our students are performing in school.

I am pretty sure that the naming of the holiday period is not likely to affect any student academically.
bridges.... Keep telling yourself that the atheists are coming on strong when Pew constantly says it was/is/ and will be an AGE issue. All these fellow atheists you keep talking about when they grow up will turn back to God. That's not from me.... That's from your precious social scientists at PEW.
Really?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... servatives
Guardian UK 10/26/2014 wrote:The so-called millennials (Americans born between 1982 and 2000) are far more diverse, educated and tolerant than their predecessors. They’re also the least religious generation in American history – they’re even getting less religious as they get older, which is unprecedented
That would seem to be the direct opposite of what you claim.

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/25/calling ... d_partner/
salon.com 3/25/2014 wrote:If current trends continue, the crossing point, whereby atheists, agnostics, and “nones” equals the number of Christians in this country, will be in the year 2062
Notice the word "trend"? That's because there is a CLEAR, LONG-TERM TREND at work here!
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Post by Fugedaboudit » Dec Thu 25, 2014 10:17 pm

Neither the number of Christians in existence nor whatever "trend" you care to cite as to how many people believe in God...or are Christian, or not...really matter...except for those people.

What DOES matter is that regardless of how many people do or do not "believe" in God, He STILL exists.

Personally, I think the issue is not one of belief vs non-belief....but is one of recognize or not-recognize. That is quite a different matter. Fixating on the wrong stereotypes can understandable lead one to not "believe" God exists. From my personal perspective, it can be painfully tough to recognize God's presence and His works while clinging to stereotypes and prejudices of what God looks like, why He allows bad things to happen, etc...

From my perspective, when one considers that God is not interested in fitting our worldly stereotypes...and images of who and what He is, then any attempt to measure, and "prove" He exists by relying on those stereotypes and prejudices is folly. The tools and techniques aren't designed to measure God.

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Post by Bridges » Dec Thu 25, 2014 10:29 pm

Fugedaboudit wrote:Neither the number of Christians in existence nor whatever "trend" you care to cite as to how many people believe in God...or are Christian, or not...really matter...except for those people.

What DOES matter is that regardless of how many people do or do not "believe" in God, He STILL exists.

Personally, I think the issue is not one of belief vs non-belief....but is one of recognize or not-recognize. That is quite a different matter. Fixating on the wrong stereotypes can understandable lead one to not "believe" God exists. From my personal perspective, it can be painfully tough to recognize God's presence and His works while clinging to stereotypes and prejudices of what God looks like, why He allows bad things to happen, etc...

From my perspective, when one considers that God is not interested in fitting our worldly stereotypes...and images of who and what He is, then any attempt to measure, and "prove" He exists by relying on those stereotypes and prejudices is folly. The tools and techniques aren't designed to measure God.
I think what matters in the context of thread, is the realization that you can't put YOUR belief system above others in this town.

And there are MANY people in this town, with very different beliefs than yours.

Therefore, the school committee was entirely correct in their desire to acknowledge that fact, and come up with a name for the winter break that covers:

1) Hanukkah
2) Christmas
3) Kwanzaa
4) New Years

"Winter break" works just fine for that.

Either that, or you call it "Hanukkah Christmas Kwanzaa New Years break"...which would be quite the mouthful...
What DOES matter is that regardless of how many people do or do not "believe" in God, He STILL exists.
Of course, you have no PROOF of that.

None, nada, zilch.
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Post by NewNRAMember » Dec Thu 25, 2014 10:32 pm

Thanks for the link!!!! Game, set, match.

The respective roles of the school committee and the superintendent are described in a position statement published jointly by the American Association of School Administrators and the National School Boards Association in the 1994 booklet, Roles and Relationships: School Boards and Superintendents:

"The school board is a legal agent of the state and must, therefore, fulfill both state and federal mandates". -MASS DOE, Advisory on School Governance.

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Post by NewNRAMember » Dec Thu 25, 2014 10:38 pm

quote="Guardian UK 10/26/2014"]The so-called millennials (Americans born between 1982 and 2000) are far more diverse, educated and tolerant than their predecessors. They’re also the least religious generation in American history – they’re even getting less religious as they get older, which

salon.com 3/25/2014 wrote:If current trends continue, the crossing point, whereby atheists, agnostics, and “nones” equals the number of Christians in this country, will be in the year 2062 notice the word "trend"? That's because there is a CLEAR, LONG-TERM TREND at work here!


salon and guardian vs. pew and gss..... Hmmmmmmmmmmm

What's wrong no studies by Atheists Association of America?

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Post by NewNRAMember » Dec Thu 25, 2014 10:44 pm

Bridges wrote:Of course, you have no PROOF of that. None, nada, zilch.
And your proof that he doesn't?

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Post by localstudent » Dec Thu 25, 2014 11:20 pm

Hi everyone! I want to thank you for replying to this post and bringing up some really great points.

I have to agree that this is definitely not an argument over belief - the beauty of this country is we can believe whatever we want! I think what's concerning most people in my generation is the fact that the town is so seemingly against accepting that other holidays occur during the same break period and our country is becoming more liberal and pro umbrella terms such as "Holiday Break". And the MOST concerning fact is that there were and maybe still will be protests about the term "Holiday Break" rather than protests revolving around current race issues or even the town's growing drug/herion problem. What is so offensive about "Happy Holidays" that makes it worth protesting?

I may be asking repetitive questions, but I want to make sure I fully understand why this blew up on a pretty large scale.

Once again - I'd love to hear from all sides of this argument!

Thank you all!

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localstudent wrote:Hi everyone! I want to thank you for replying to this post and bringing up some really great points.

I have to agree that this is definitely not an argument over belief - the beauty of this country is we can believe whatever we want! I think what's concerning most people in my generation is the fact that the town is so seemingly against accepting that other holidays occur during the same break period and our country is becoming more liberal and pro umbrella terms such as "Holiday Break". And the MOST concerning fact is that there were and maybe still will be protests about the term "Holiday Break" rather than protests revolving around current race issues or even the town's growing drug/herion problem. What is so offensive about "Happy Holidays" that makes it worth protesting?

I may be asking repetitive questions, but I want to make sure I fully understand why this blew up on a pretty large scale.

Once again - I'd love to hear from all sides of this argument!

Thank you all!
As a Christian, I am more than happy to wish a Jew a Happy Chanakka, or a Muslim, Peace and Happy Ramadan, or anyone of other belief's peace and happiness...even though I may not celebrate those holidays.

I do celebrate is Christmas, And I am quite certain that by my doing so, I have not trampled on anyone else's right or ability to celebrate their religious or non-religious beliefs.

I find it extremely unfortunate that some of other beliefs seem to find it so intimidating to extend their good wishes to their Christian neighbors as they celebrate Christmas...without convulsing over the fact that the attention during that holiday is not all about them.

Christmas is (intended to be in tribute to) about the birth of Christ. Show the tolerance you claim to have and Let it be.

As for other religious celebrations, go for it. Celebrate. No one's stopping you. I certainly don't want to stop you. And I'll even offer you my best wishes as you celebrate what your religious/non-religious belief system practices. I am quite tolerant of your desire to proclaim and celebrate your religious beliefs and I don't consider myself or my religious beliefs to be threatened if you do celebrate your religion.

Can you do the same?

If so, that is good.

If not, perhaps you should.

Merry Christmas.

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Bridges wrote:What DOES matter is that regardless of how many people do or do not "believe" in God, He STILL exists.
Of course, you have no PROOF of that.

None, nada, zilch.

Like I said, using your tools to prove God exists is pointless. They are inadequate for that test.

I am bombarded with proof that He exists...every second of the day. Your tools are not designed to detect it, though.

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Post by Vlad_Rap » Dec Fri 26, 2014 2:08 pm

Local Student: 443 Marshfield residents thought enough about this issue to sign the petition directing the school committee to reverse its vote on the Christmas Vacation name change. That's alot of names collected in a fairly short amount of time. Can you really just dismiss them as loons or could there be something to their opinion there is more to this thing than meets the eye. That should be the basis of your article.

Hey Fugedaboudit: You'll like this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/eric-metaxa ... 1419544568

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Post by Fugedaboudit » Dec Fri 26, 2014 7:18 pm

I consider this to be a Hate Crime!

Such intolerance against Christians. The crime was perpetrated on Church property.


Stolen baby Jesus replaced with pig's head in Haverhill

http://www.whdh.com/story/27708237/stol ... -haverhill

HAVERHILL, Mass. (WHDH) - Police in Haverhill are on the lookout for a vandal who stole baby Jesus from a manger and replaced him with a real pig's head.

Police said the vandals struck the nativity scene in front of Sacred Hearts Church after midnight mass and before Christmas morning services.

"I was shocked, horror, how could it be,” Father John Delaney said.

Police are investigating the incident, which took place on a busy, well lit street during the day.

"We're also asking for the assistance of any local farms, any butcher shops to see if anything comes to mind with them, if they've sold any whole pigs,” Haverhill Police Lt. Robert Pistone said.

On Friday morning, Brenda Burns of Haverhill visited Sacred Hearts Church and put her on baby Jesus in the manger to replace the one that was stolen.

"That's what the community of Haverhill is represented by not the horrible person or persons who did this,” Haverhill Mayor Jim Fiorentini said.


AND THIS!

Topless feminist activist grabs baby Jesus statue in St Peter's Square
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-26/f ... re/5988572

And another!

TOPLESS FEMINIST GOES LOONEY TUNES, TRIES TO STEAL BABY JESUS FROM NATIVITY SCENE
Read more at http://universalfreepress.com/explicit- ... ity-scene/

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Post by Bridges » Dec Fri 26, 2014 7:54 pm

I would also call it a hate crime
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Post by clover » Dec Fri 26, 2014 7:55 pm

localstudent, Thank you for your posts, but I'm not too sure you're going to get answers from actual "protesters" on this Forum since most of the people who write or read here probably didn't officially "protest." I can say personally, though, that I think "Christmas" has become a dirty word. I have three kids and have shopped plenty over the years, and greetings in businesses have always been "happy holidays" in the last few years. This year, though, things were different. I'd say 90% of private business employees from all over southeast MA said "Merry Christmas" this year. I have to say I winced and flinched every time (as my partially liberal mind has been trained to do) until just up until near Christmas when I began to get used to it and expect it. That's what "liberals" have done to the word "Christmas." They've turned the name of a most significant and wonderful occasion and celebration into something that should not be talked about. It's disgusting when you take a good look at the situation and peel away the phony "tolerant" rhetoric. What's next, the dirtying of the actual celebration of Christmas Day?

I really do thank you for posting your ideas, localstudent, but your posts actually leave me wanting to interview you as I have a lot of questions. :)
localstudent wrote:And the MOST concerning fact is that there were and maybe still will be protests about the term "Holiday Break" rather than protests revolving around current race issues or even the town's growing drug/herion problem.
I'm concerned that young college students are not thinking for themselves enough and are being too influenced by quick and superficial access to only some media stories and opinions.

What "current race issues" are you talking about? Are you talking about the black or hispanic police officers who have shot and killed the unarmed young white men? Are you talking about the millions of people of different races who exist in this country peacefully every day. What should we be protesting about?

When it comes to heroin I have the same question. "We" teach that heroin is bad for one's health. We have laws that say heroin is illegal. Yet some people still try the drug. What should the rest of us be protesting about? Should we be protesting about selfish pricks who try heroin and then put their loved ones through hell? Sign me up for that protest!!! :)

Another question is, why do some people think that they should rank the importance of issues and then tell others what should be of importance to them? Some "liberals" seem to have little tolerance for opinions that are different from their own. Some "liberals" seem to think they are "the good guys" while others are apparently bad in some way. Some "liberals" seem to want to control everything, including discussions and "protests." Maybe you and your liberal college friends should use this Christmas issue to examine your own tolerance of others? Maybe you should use our current technology (the computer) to look for other opinions, stories and issues in order to broaden your horizons? Are we all supposed to "protest" the same thing? Is it up to you or liberals to decide what people "protest?" Why does it bother you and your liberal friends if certain others speak up for what they believe in? Maybe it is the liberals who are "protesting?" After all, it's the liberal school committee and liberals in general who want to change the status quo and go against the majority.

Maybe Christians who stand up for the recognition of Christmas are no different than others who stand for what they perceive as their interests or their rights? Maybe Christians know that there can be as much hatred of Christianity as of any minority religion, race or issue?

What do liberal college students think of the bloody pig's head on the baby Jesus?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massac ... story.html

What do the liberal college students think of the black or hispanic police officers who shot young white unarmed men?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

And a few last questions. If you're on college break, are you and any of your liberal friends out protesting anything? If not, why not? Why make suggestions to others when you haven't hit the streets yourself? If you and your friends are free during this college break, and you're concerned about great injustices, you could protest right here in Marshfield. If you don't feel eliminating "Christmas Break" from the school calendar is a big enough issue for you, you could could do race or heroin but might I suggest protesting against the liberal town government's refusal to notify residents of the proposed new flood maps. Or how about protesting against the airport that was just "liberally" yet unlawfully built in peoples' backyards?

You say you're concerned about these Christmas "protests." Well I'm concerned about "liberals" who want all issues to run through them, with their approval. I'm concerned about certain liberals who are the most hateful and deceitful of all the people I have seen or met in my lifetime. localstudent, Obama is a liar. Your state politicians are crooks and your local Marshfield politicians continually lie to the public (that's you.) If you and your friends familiarize yourselves with the true stories of "liberals," and if you are truly kind and caring people, you will no longer be proud to call yourself a liberal. The "liberals" I know are hateful of and hurtful to their fellow man.

Eliminating references to Christmas under the guise of inclusiveness or tolerance is a ruse. Liberal leaders are afraid of anything more organized or greater than themselves. Those bad, bad "protesters" are not the problem, it's the "liberals" who want to vilify groups of people in an effort to boost their own image that are a danger. Smarten up college students. Don't be used.

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Post by Bridges » Dec Fri 26, 2014 8:56 pm

:lol: Way to go, Clover!

That's the sure way to get all those liberal college students over to your conservative point of view...

Tell them they're all stupid, gullible, and incapable of thinking for themselves! :roll:
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Post by specialties » Dec Fri 26, 2014 9:41 pm

and your local Marshfield politicians continually lie to the public
That reminds me... Jim Cantwell, are you here or not?? Recons please gumshoe to himself...

Silence is not golden right now...

This is the time... Will you be sailing with us??



\M/ Good one, Clover, and that is about what 80% of the populace sounds like these days, NICE!!!
Good guys...

And the opposition?? Well, kinda punk and beat up and well splat upon... The novacaine has metasticized... Yeah like maybe a little jesus will be allowed, no use killing another 100,000,000 plus 55,000,000 more abortions, same old losers...
Useful what???

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Real wormwood...

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Post by localstudent » Dec Fri 26, 2014 11:52 pm

Hi Clover -

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate hearing your stance on this issue and I agree with some of the things you've mentioned. But I disagree with your idea that college students are not thinking for themselves. In fact, I think being raised in Marshfield - a predominately white town - and now living in Boston for the past three years, has given me the opportunity to see both the conservative and liberal side to every debate and issues that have come up recently rather than forming my opinions based on what the media is telling me. I personally have taken part in the recent protests in Boston, recognizing that the idea of white privilege in America is still prevalent, which I was unaware of during my time in Marshfield.

But more importantly, I want to explain that "us liberals" are not trying to take Christmas away from anyone. I said Merry Christmas to everyone I came in contact with this season, and heard back Happy Holidays and Happy Hanukkah. And I agree with you that changing the name of winter break could be just as important as anything else in the eyes of some people, and perhaps this was something that I wasn't thinking about in my earlier questions. It just seems like "protesting" for "Merry Christmas" tarnished the term and worked backwards from what the goal was - Merry Christmas was said by many out of rebellion against town politics rather than for it's true meaning. The protesting seemed extremely defensive against the school committee simply wanting to use a more inclusive term, leaving me to ask again, why is using an inclusive term for school break such an offense?

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Post by HokieAl » Dec Sat 27, 2014 12:02 am

localstudent wrote:In fact, I think being raised in Marshfield - a predominately white town - and now living in Boston for the past three years, has given me the opportunity to see both the conservative and liberal side to every debate


How's that? Are you saying that Marshfield is conservative? Because we know that Boston is not.

localstudent wrote: recognizing that the idea of white privilege in America is still prevalent, which I was unaware of during my time in Marshfield.
White privilege is a myth created by liberals. It's offensive to successful non-whites because it implies that their success is not due to their own abilities.

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Post by Bridges » Dec Sat 27, 2014 7:18 am

localstudent wrote:But more importantly, I want to explain that "us liberals" are not trying to take Christmas away from anyone.
BINGO!!

The inclusive crowd has said this over and over, in every venue we can think of.

The Christmas crowd has chosen to be DELIBERATELY tone deaf, and to DELIBERATELY misrepresent our point of view.

It has been stated again and again that NOBODY is against Christmas.

And changing the name on the school calendar does not threaten anybody's Christmas. Last I heard, Christmas still happened this year, despite what the school calendar said! :roll:
It just seems like "protesting" for "Merry Christmas" tarnished the term and worked backwards from what the goal was - Merry Christmas was said by many out of rebellion against town politics rather than for it's true meaning.
BINGO AGAIN!

There were more Merry Christmas signs this year, BY FAR, then there have ever been in the past.
Clearly, MANY folks were using the signs not as a symbol of goodwill, but as a sort of "in your face" symbol of defiance. Which of course, totally flies in the face of everything Christmas is supposed to represent! :roll:
The protesting seemed extremely defensive against the school committee simply wanting to use a more inclusive term, leaving me to ask again, why is using an inclusive term for school break such an offense?
BINGO AGAIN!

This whole thing was UTTER NONSENSE!
The school break covers MULTIPLE HOLIDAYS...way more than just Christmas.

Yet, for some reason, many Christians in town seem to think that they are the only ones that count...that their chosen holiday is the only one worth mentioning...that it is more important than the other holidays, because THEY say so.

Luckily, the school committee has more common sense, and I would not count on it changing back in coming years...
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Post by HokieAl » Dec Sat 27, 2014 11:22 am

Not to change the subject, but I'm going to point something out that the people who frequent these forums won't be surprised to see.

Bridges, who claims to be indifferent to this, has posted more in this thread than anyone else (in number of responses, and without counting words, I'm pretty sure in word count). As I pointed out in another thread in these forums in a related topic, that is a strange way to demonstrate indifference.

I'd say that Bridges cares deeply about rooting out Christmas and other traditions simply based on what I've seen here.

Therefore, when drawing conclusions, make sure that you consider that those opinions aren't from someone who is indifferent, rather they are coming from the far left.

Also, I know you were looking for the other point of view. From the people offended by the change, not by the discriminatory left and a bunch of "bingo"'s in caps.

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Post by HokieAl » Dec Sat 27, 2014 11:32 am

clover wrote: greetings in businesses have always been "happy holidays" in the last few years.

This year, though, things were different. I'd say 90% of private business employees from all over southeast MA said "Merry Christmas" this year.
I'd somewhat agree, but my point of view is slightly different. I think that the big box stores started reverting back to "Merry Christmas" last year or maybe the year before. I think that recently local businesses either never changed from saying that, or the ones that did have switched to a mix.

I think that the big box stores realized that saying happy holidays wasn't appropriate. When 95% of their shoppers are asking for gift receipts, gift boxes, and aren't using the dressing rooms, it's a pretty good bed that they're shopping for Christmas. Of course there are some that are shopping for other holidays, for themselves, or for birthdays, but the vast majority are in there because it's for a Christmas gift. It's insulting that knowing this, they weren't allowed to use the "c" word.

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Post by Bridges » Dec Sat 27, 2014 3:05 pm

HokieAl wrote:Bridges, who claims to be indifferent to this
What I said was, that I was not the one who complained...I drove by that sign for days, and did not say boo about it.

Nor was I the one who started any threads on this subject on this forum. Had the threads not been started by others, again, I would not have said anything on the subject.
..has posted more in this thread than anyone else (in number of responses, and without counting words, I'm pretty sure in word count). As I pointed out in another thread in these forums in a related topic, that is a strange way to demonstrate indifference.
Hmm, I have over 10,000 posts on this forum, and the VAST majority of them have nothing to do with Christmas or religion.

Most of them have been about aviation or climate change...by far.

And in those threads, ANY OF THEM, it's a DEBATE. Meaning, LOTS of others post.
Some agree with me, MANY disagree with me.

So, you seem to be postulating that you can somehow divine if someone is far or against an issue, by counting how many times they post in a thread on a forum? :shock:

That is BEYOND MORONIC. In EVERY thread, there are are a variety of opinions.
I'd say that Bridges cares deeply about rooting out Christmas and other traditions simply based on what I've seen here.
I have REPEATEDLY stated that I have nothing against Christmas, or Christianity.

Maybe you should stop basing your opinions solely on what you see here...especially since I have flat out told you MULTIPLE times that you are wrong on this.

If you bothered to look at the Marshfield FB page, you'd see that I have posted multiple times about this, USING MY REAL NAME.

I stated in no uncertain terms that I have NO PROBLEM with Christmas, or Christians. I complained vocally about LIARS such as yourself who continually try to make such claims about the inclusive crowd, just because we applaud the school committee for being inclusive! :shock:

I have an idea...how about a little homework assignment for you!
My dad passed away about 9 days ago - obit was in the Globe just a few days ago.

If you read it, notice carefully what organization I chose for folks to make donations to in his memory.

Hint: Seeds of Peace - http://www.seedsofpeace.org
Seeds of Peace wrote:Seeds of Peace inspires and equips new generations of leaders from regions of conflict with the relationships, understanding, and skills needed to advance lasting peace.

Over the last 22 years, Seeds of Peace has intensified its impact, dramatically increasing the number of participants, represented nations, and programs.

From 46 American, Egyptian, Israeli and Palestinian teenagers in 1993, we have expanded our programming to include young leaders (“Seeds”) from across the Middle East, South Asia, Cyprus and the Balkans. Our leadership network now encompasses over 5,000 Seeds. Currently, we are actively working in the Middle East, South Asia, and the United States.
This organization has meant a lot to me for many years. I have visited them in Maine many times...pretty much from the beginning of their existence (or pretty close).

You'll notice that originally they had kids from the Middle East (Arabs - typically Muslim), Israelis (typically Jewish), and a good number of Christians from the region as well.

They still have those, but they have branched out too. The whole point is, to help these kids come together, to learn from one another, to try to overcome their differences (more like celebrate their differences), and take that new knowledge and respect home with them.

I am ALL about respecting and cherishing religious heritage. I am all about learning about other religions, AND RESPECTING THE DIFFERENCES.

And you, quite simply, are an ahole! :roll:
I have told you 20 times what I believe. Stop saying otherwise - it is YOU who are lying, not me! :mad:
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Post by specialties » Dec Sat 27, 2014 3:38 pm

cc: pope albore @ GW
bcc: komrades @ school board, central committee
bcc: idiots @ New Soviet Constitution
bcc: cpusa recruiter @ http://www.revcom.us
info: Christian ADL
I am ALL about respecting and cherishing religious heritage. I am all about learning about other religions, AND RESPECTING THE DIFFERENCES.
On that basis, let's shut this thread down and erase it...
And you, quite simply, are an ahole! :roll:
Opps, belay that, he hasn't changed any...
Re-apply the thread full of good will, love, cherished heritage and inclusiveness...

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Post by clover » Dec Sat 27, 2014 6:40 pm

localstudent wrote:I personally have taken part in the recent protests in Boston, recognizing that the idea of white privilege in America is still prevalent
Well, that's nice. I hope you protesters added a little chant for the completely naked white kid who had the privilege of being shot dead by the black cop. I mean, let's be inclusive.
localstudent wrote:But more importantly, I want to explain that "us liberals" are not trying to take Christmas away from anyone.
I am just one person and cannot speak for a large group, and you are just one person who cannot speak for all " us liberals." I'm not trying to ridicule or do anything of that sort when I say, I think you cannot know what all liberals are trying to do. No matter what the intentions are when eliminating the word "Christmas," the outcome is the same. People become afraid and/or ashamed to use the word. I've now seen that first-hand with my own self.

When I responded to you the last time, I was speaking for myself and not any religious group or people who were closer to this argument. Last night, for the first time, I saw the sign in front of St.Ann's and it read "It's OK to say Merry Christmas." Apparently that one short thought does sum the problem up fairly well. "Christmas" has become a dirty word, and that is quite possibly a step in "taking Christmas away." Not being able to say the name may not eliminate Christmas day (yet), but it certainly doesn't add to the recognition or celebration of Christmas.
localstudent wrote:As I already stated It just seems like "protesting" for "Merry Christmas" tarnished the term and worked backwards from what the goal was - Merry Christmas was said by many out of rebellion against town politics rather than for it's true meaning.
How do you know if people were rebelling? I'm not sure that holding or putting up "Merry Christmas" signs is a "protest." When gays rally for a cause it's "Gay Pride," but when people decide to show their Christmas spirit, it's a protest, a bad thing??? So there should have been NO words, NO signs? That doesn't sound tolerant or inclusive to me, and it does sound like the usual liberal approach of vilifying people who are trying to react positively, yet differently, than the liberals. NO Christmas = good, tolerant. Displayed Christmas = bad, exclusive.
localstudent wrote:The protesting seemed extremely defensive against the school committee simply wanting to use a more inclusive term, leaving me to ask again, why is using an inclusive term for school break such an offense?
I don't agree that it's an inclusive term, and apparently some others don't either. "Christmas break" was ELIMINATED, not included. NO other holiday was included. Chanukah often falls outside of the Christmas break. Next year it will be observed from December 6th thru the 14th. Who are "we" including??? Kwanzaa has controversial origins, and although anyone can join the celebration, one cannot really be a Kwanzaa participant without having African roots. That's not inclusive and the schools won't give time off for that holiday or Chanukah, so why ELIMINATE the word "Christmas" for no reason?

According to research and polls, about 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Supposedly, about 80% of Non-Christians celebrate Christmas. Supposedly, most African-Americans celebrate Christmas, and of the few who celebrate Kwanzaa, most celebrate Christmas also. So, who the heck are "we" going out of our way to "include"??? Let's see, there's ONE person who complained in Marshfield, and there are people who CHOOSE not to celebrate anything, and there is a Jewish holiday that does not qualify for time off on the school calendar and can be observed as early as Thanksgiving time. There's not really a lot of people who need "including" during that week.

I think the "inclusive" argument is a farce. Eliminating the word "Christmas" is an exclusion, and I've already posted that that works for me since I want other religions excluded if people ask for their minority preferences.

I have agreed with the School Committee's decision but that doesn't make me concerned or worried about those people who disagree. I do wish liberals would drop the angry talk and the vilifying, and let the 95% of Americans who celebrate Christmas do so their own way and in peace.

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Post by bobkat » Dec Sat 27, 2014 9:07 pm

lovcalstudent Olivia hi it was nice to read your posting. In marshfield we do have a group of loud conservatives living here. They do complain about a lot of things besides Christmas Break . Their biggest problem is their bark is stronger than their bite. I don't know if you follow Neil deGrasse Tyson at all,but there is no one in Marshfield that is at his level. On Christmas day he used Twitter to post facts that would annoy Conservative Christians . Here are some of his facts.

"QUESTION: ThIs year, what do all the world's Muslims and Jews call December 25th? ANSWER: Thursday


On this day long ago, a child was born who, by age 30, would transform the world. Happy Birthday Isaac Newton b. Dec 25, 1642


Merry Christmas to all. A Pagan holiday (BC) becomes a Religious holiday (AD). Which then becomes a Shopping holiday (USA).


yesterday he posted this and he is so right.

Imagine a world in which we are all enlightened by objective truths rather than offended by them.



It is to bad our friends on the right can't learn.

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Post by Fugedaboudit » Dec Sat 27, 2014 9:11 pm

Thank you for that instruction in rhetoric, Bobcat.

Profound is not an adequate way to describe those thoughtful tweets.

I'm sure everyone will want to give those tweeted snippets the consideration they so well deserve.


Merry Christmas
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Post by Joseph » Dec Sat 27, 2014 10:55 pm

Bridges, who claims to be indifferent to this, has posted more in this thread than anyone else (in number of responses, and without counting words, I'm pretty sure in word count). As I pointed out in another thread in these forums in a related topic, that is a strange way to demonstrate indifference
"...that is a strange way to demonstrate indifference."


THIS
Why do so many officials FEAR and kowtow to the Marshfield Airport gang?

What is the source of their power? Does it involve some kind of unseemly enterprise? A government entity?

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